9/11 Conspiracy theories debunked (they say) by the BBC

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"Many simply don't accept the official conclusion, however distressing that may be for the relatives of those that died."

I've seen all I have to see.
 
Gold9472 said:
"Many simply don't accept the official conclusion, however distressing that may be for the relatives of those that died."

I've seen all I have to see.
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Depends on what exactly the official conclusion is. I am sure that many want a proper investigation into the events of the day and the governments response to information they had. It seems like the government is coving up that they were made a lot of mistakes.

Although the government plot to destory the towers, or even worse, that some who died never died (some of the United 93) theories is obviously going to be destressing to some people.


There is quite a big difference between familys wanting a proper investigation and thinking that their family were killed/not killed by the goverment.
 
Gold9472 said:
More than 50% of the families are on the side of this movement.
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And Jon, You know a few of them personally, don't you? I mean, just so we know that you haven't pulled this number out of your wazoo.
And also, could you refresh my memory? What is the overall statistic of people that do not believe the official story?
 
Bill Doyle, who is on the board of one of the largest family organizations said that half of his members believe as we do. Yes, I know Bob McIlvaine, Donna Marsh O'Connor, Monica Gabrielle, Lorie Van Auken, and Mindy Kleinberg. The last two not as well as the first three. To put it in perspective, Donna Marsh O'Connor sent me a statement to read along with a picture of her daughter to hold up as I read it, for the Arizona Conference.
 
Well, I guess I'll let you guys argue with our new friend here. This is someone who has no intention at all in believing anything other than the official story. After as many people as I have spoken to, you just kinda get a feel for them. I think he said it best himself, that he is only here so that he can be content that he viewed this from all angles. Problem with that is, it's real easy to bullshit yourself. IMO there are plenty of people to talk to about this that are receptive, without wasting time on flat-earthers.
 
AuGmENTor said:
Well, I guess I'll let you guys argue with our new friend here. This is someone who has no intention at all in believing anything other than the official story. After as many people as I have spoken to, you just kinda get a feel for them. I think he said it best himself, that he is only here so that he can be content that he viewed this from all angles. Problem with that is, it's real easy to bullshit yourself. IMO there are plenty of people to talk to about this that are receptive, without wasting time on flat-earthers.
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Was just pointing out why familys may be upset, I mean I would be. :S Doesnt make it any less true/false. Also, I do not belive in the official story, but am also not convinced about the non-official story either. I require a high standard of proof to convince me on something like this.

You must understand you are saying that the government of the United States murdered 3000 of its people and people from around the world. The covered it up. To require anything less than a high amount of proof would be insane, surely you agree? Now the official story has a load of inconsistances which Is why I am wary of it and why I am here. But I need a lot of proof, to accept the answers that the 9/11 movement gives. (I also do not know all the answers, or inconsistances yet)
 
There are enough inconsistencies in the official story taht I think they need to come clean to clear themselves.
 
Neimad9 said:
Was just pointing out why familys may be upset, I mean I would be. :S Doesnt make it any less true/false. Also, I do not belive in the official story, but am also not convinced about the non-official story either. I require a high standard of proof to convince me on something like this.

You must understand you are saying that the government of the United States murdered 3000 of its people and people from around the world. The covered it up. To require anything less than a high amount of proof would be insane, surely you agree? Now the official story has a load of inconsistances which Is why I am wary of it and why I am here. But I need a lot of proof, to accept the answers that the 9/11 movement gives. (I also do not know all the answers, or inconsistances yet)
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i hear this 'proof' argument all the time.

"consistent lying and covering up proves nothing"

"foreknowledge proves nothing"

"making tons of money off of insurance fraud proves nothing"

"a controlled demolition proves nothing"

i think many are forgetting that we are dealing with CRIMINALS, and that they don't usually have signed affidavits where they say they will be killing a bunch of people.

please put 2 + 2 together and judge them by their actions.
 
Proof is proof! its golden, its the way you can help uncover the truth. Its not a argument its a requirement for an argument to hold
 
Neimad9 said:
Proof is proof! its golden, its the way you can help uncover the truth. Its not a argument its a requirement for an argument to hold
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Sibel Edmonds, the most gagged person in American History (gagged by the Bush Administration no less) has been quoted as saying that if 9/11 were truly investigated, we would be seeing no less than 10 American people that we know stand trial, and face prosecution criminally.

What kind of proof do you want?
 
Keep in mind Neimad9, we're only regular citizens. We do not have the access to that which we need to find out the whole truth. I have no doubt, however, that if that day ever comes, we will be proven more than right.
 
Neimad9... why do you think the Bush Administration specifically fought against the family members for an investigation into the attacks? Do you realize that if the families didn't fight, we would have never have had any kind of investigation at all? How does that sit with you?
 
Gold9472 said:
Sibel Edmonds, the most gagged person in American History (gagged by the Bush Administration no less) has been quoted as saying that if 9/11 were truly investigated, we would be seeing no less than 10 American people that we know stand trial, and face prosecution criminally.

What kind of proof do you want?
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Was not that about gross incompertence rather than a direct intention to down the towers?

Anyway, I was talking about proof in general. from both sides and how important it is
 
Gold9472 said:
Neimad9... why do you think the Bush Administration specifically fought against the family members for an investigation into the attacks? Do you realize that if the families didn't fight, we would have never have had any kind of investigation at all? How does that sit with you?
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Look, I am not saying they were not responsible. I said I wanted high standards of proof before I make a judgement either way. I have already said I find too many inconsistances, and I Guess they blocked a investigation because they were 1) did it 2) knew about it 3) made a lot of mistakes.
 
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