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    BREAKING NEWS: Gen. Myers, Rumsfeld Grilled On Missing Money, War Games, Sex Trade

    Gen. Myers, Sec. Rumsfeld and DoD Comproller Grilled on Missing Money, War Games and Sex Trade

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    On Thursday, March 10, Rep. Cynthia McKinney, recently returned to the House for a sixth term, posed several questions to General Myers (Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff) Defense Secretary Rumsfeld and the DoD Comptroller Tina Jones for which none had fully forthcoming answers. The Congresswoman asked about defense contractor Dyncorp involvement in the sex trade, the missing trillions from the DoD ("undocumented adjustments from the late 90's) and who the contractors were who responsible for accounting at the Pentagon and finally one regarding the war games conducted by the Military coincident with the attacks of September 11th 2001.

    These questions were raised during an Armed Services Committee hearing on the FY 2006 Budget for the Department of Defense (3/10/05) - Go to 25:15:00 in video archived at C-SPAN (see link below). Paraphrased Question 1: Why does Dyncorp continue to recieve contracts from the DoD while it engages in the sex trade? Question 2: Who has the contracts for the accounting at the Pentagon where trillions of dollars are missing? Questions 3, 4, 5: Did the four war games occuring on September 11th impair our ability to respond to the attacks? Who was responsible for managing those war games? and was a National Special Security Event declared for 9/11/01?

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    Sec. of Defense Rumsfeld in House Hearing on FY06 Dept. of Defense Budget Chairman Representative Duncan Hunter (R-CA) and witnesses Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld and JCS Chairman General Richard Myers hold a House Hearing on the FY 2006 Budget for the Department of Defense and Military Services.

    3/10/2005: WASHINGTON, DC: 2 hr. 5 min.

    NOTE: In the C-SPAN video stream Rep. Cynthia McKinney's question time begins at 25:15 and concludes at 33:36 (over three minutes over the five minute limit typically adhered to)

    See other related stories posted on this site the past month. (Dayton open letter, Clarke open letter, "Chairman, I have a questions.") For details regarding the designation of a National Security Special Event see Chapter 24 of Crossing the Rubicon (p. 427). Please note that Chairman Myers did not answer specifically as to who was personally responsible for coordinating or managing the multiple war games that morning.

    Chairman Myers mentioned several war games but none by name. He did not mention "Vigilant Warrior" (Warrior = FTX or "field training exercise") which according to Richard A. Clarke was what Myers named as the 9/11 war game underway when the attacks began. This was during a video conference that at least according the Myers himself and the Commission he did not participate in. Who is lying? Myers and the Commission or Richard A. Clarke? There is no definitive account of 9/11 until this discrepancy in accounts is cleared up and the questions around the wargames are fully answered.
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    That was beautiful...
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    Oh my God did I love watching Rummy, Myers, and that Jonas lady squirm!!!

    That's just classic right there. Cynthia McKinney is a one of a kind. It's too bad that's so true. I wish there were more like her asking those questions.
    When Tina Jonas wouldn't tell her who had the defense contracts, and Cynthia said, "That's not priviledged information, is it?".... the look on Tina's face.... fucking priceless!!!

    Then Myers saying the War Games helped on 9/11??!!! Yeah, obviously.... assuming that no U.S. gov't involvement happened.... 4 airplanes are directed off-course (something that has never happened before), no contact can be made, and it took 45 mins/ 1 hour or longer for fighter jets to assemble and investigate?? Some of the airbases were right next door to the Pentagon and New York remember....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Good Doctor HST
    Oh my God did I love watching Rummy, Myers, and that Jonas lady squirm!!!

    That's just classic right there. Cynthia McKinney is a one of a kind. It's too bad that's so true. I wish there were more like her asking those questions.
    When Tina Jonas wouldn't tell her who had the defense contracts, and Cynthia said, "That's not priviledged information, is it?".... the look on Tina's face.... fucking priceless!!!

    Then Myers saying the War Games helped on 9/11??!!! Yeah, obviously.... assuming that no U.S. gov't involvement happened.... 4 airplanes are directed off-course (something that has never happened before), no contact can be made, and it took 45 mins/ 1 hour or longer for fighter jets to assemble and investigate?? Some of the airbases were right next door to the Pentagon and New York remember....
    I remember...
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    National Special Security Event
    It is the Secret Service who has the legal mandate to take supreme command in case of a scheduled major event - or an unplanned major emergency - on American soil; these are designated "National Special Security Events." The Atlanta Olympic Games and the Republican & Democratic National Conventions are notable examples of NSSE's. In preparation, the Secret Service runs training initiatives of simulated attacks and field exercises for such events. 4

    The Secret Service works with state and local authorities as well as the military to coordinate security efforts; it has the best communication system of any agency in the country; and its personnel are always present with both the President and Vice President - making it the perfect agency to take supreme command in case of a major emergency on American soil. 5

    When 9/11 occurred, the legal framework was in place to allow the Secret Service to take supreme command over any and all American agencies, including the Air Force. 6

    Richard Clarke writes in Against All Enemies: "I was amazed at the speed of the decisions coming from Cheney and, through him, from Bush." 7 This is to be expected. Everything was in place for the Commander in Chief to be calling all the shots as the 9/11 plot unfolded, but Bush was in an elementary school reading about goats with Secret Service agents right beside him.

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    "It would enhance the response" according to General Myers...

    As GD HST said, then why did it take close to an hour?

    Use of Military Jets Jumps Since 9/11

    Aircraft scrambled seven times as often to check on threats

    The Associated Press
    August 13, 2002

    HERNDON, Va.— The military sent fighter jets to chase suspicious aircraft 462 times between Sept. 11 and June, nearly seven times as often as the 67 scrambles from the same period a year earlier. More frequent scrambles are also faster in the tense new environment because the North American Aerospace Defense Command communicates better with the Federal Aviation Administration.

    Oon Sept. 11, flight controllers suspected about 8:25 a.m. ET that American Airlines Flight 11 from Boston’s Logan Airport had been hijacked, but NORAD was not notified until 8:40 a.m. — six minutes before the plane struck the World Trade Center in New York City.

    Today, NORAD would know instantaneously of a suspected hijacking, officials said Monday.

    “NORAD is now linked up telephonically 24 hours a day, seven days a week, so anything that’s an anomaly or a suspected anomaly that’s found in the system, NORAD knows about it as quickly as we do,” said David Canoles, the FAA’s manager of air traffic evaluations and investigations.

    At a NORAD operations center in Cheyenne Mountain in Colorado Springs, Colo., a noncommissioned officer listens to conversations on the FAA network from all over the United States, said Maj. Douglas Martin, a NORAD spokesman.

    “If he hears anything that indicates difficulty in the skies, we begin the staff work to scramble,” Martin said. Before Sept. 11, the FAA had to telephone NORAD about any possible hijackings.

    In June, Air Force jets scrambled three times to intercept small private planes that had wandered into restricted airspace around the White House and around Camp David, the presidential retreat in Maryland.

    Jet fighters approaching a suspicious plane might radio the pilot, dip their wings or simply identify the aircraft and break off, Martin said. No intercepted planes have been fired upon since Sept. 11, he said. For that, an order must come from President Bush, Defense Secretary Secretary Donald Rumsfeld or two designated Air Force generals.

    TIMELINE OF SEPT. 11 ATTACKS
    FAA officials held news conferences Monday in Boston, New York and Washington, giving chronological accounts of the terrorist attacks and how they forced an unprecedented shutdown of the U.S. skies.

    Air traffic controllers noticed nothing odd on Sept. 11 until communications fell silent with Flight 11 25 minutes after the plane took off at 8 a.m.

    “We considered it at that time to be a possible hijacking,” air traffic manager Glenn Michael said.

    The FAA notified NORAD 15 minutes later; three minutes after that, NORAD was told that United Airlines Flight 175 had been hijacked.

    The first two military interceptors, Air Force F-15 Eagles from Otis Air Force Base in Massachusetts, scrambled airborne at 8:52 a.m., too late to do anything about the second jet heading for the Trade Center or a third heading toward the Pentagon.

    Mike McCormick, air traffic control manager at the New York Center — the main control center for the area — made the unprecedented decision at 9:04 a.m. to declare “ATC Zero,” meaning no aircraft could fly into, out of or through the airspace over New York and the western Atlantic Ocean.

    He made the decision after the second plane, United Flight 175, crashed into the World Trade Center. McCormick said that the Boeing 757’s transponder was working and that he knew where it was headed, even before the Newark, N.J., airport control tower picked it up visually as it turned and headed back toward the twin towers.

    At 9:45 a.m., after the World Trade Center and the Pentagon had been struck by the hijacked planes, the FAA ordered all of the more than 4,000 aircraft in the skies over the United States to land at the nearest airport.

    Copyright © 2002

    From The Center For Cooperative Research

    2000 (C)* Complete 911 Timeline
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    During this year, there are 425 unknowns—pilots who didn't file or diverted from flight plans or used the wrong frequency. Fighters are scrambled in response 129 times. After 9/11, such scrambles go from about twice a week to three or four times a day. [Calgary Herald, 10/13/01] Between September 2000 and June 2001, fighters are scrambled 67 times. [AP, 8/13/02] General Ralph E. Eberhart, NORAD Commander in Chief, says that before 9/11, “Normally, our units fly 4-6 sorties a month in support of the NORAD air defense mission.” [FNS, 10/25/01] Statistics on how many minutes fighters take to scramble before 9/11 apparently are not released.
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    What Michael Meacher, Member Of Parliament Had To Say About This

    "All of this makes it all the more astonishing - on the war on terrorism perspective - that there was such slow reaction on September 11 itself. The first hijacking was suspected at not later than 8.20am, and the last hijacked aircraft crashed in Pennsylvania at 10.06am. Not a single fighter plane was scrambled to investigate from the US Andrews airforce base, just 10 miles from Washington DC, until after the third plane had hit the Pentagon at 9.38 am. Why not? There were standard FAA intercept procedures for hijacked aircraft before 9/11. Between September 2000 and June 2001 the US military launched fighter aircraft on 67 occasions to chase suspicious aircraft (AP, August 13 2002). It is a US legal requirement that once an aircraft has moved significantly off its flight plan, fighter planes are sent up to investigate."

    In other words, you don't need permission to intercept planes.
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    Ok, so let me get this straight... According to General Myers regarding the War Games, "It would enhance the response".

    So... the average response time is over an hour?

    That's how long it took planes to respond on 9/11. Is that normal or better than average? I think it's a horrible response time for an enhanced response, don't you?

    I sure hope the average response time is A LOT better than that, don't you?
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    And here's another thing real quick.

    There's this cop-out that seems to be popular: Nothing like 9/11 ever happened before, it could never even be imagined.....

    Okay, first of all.... IT WAS!!!! Look at the training wargames no-one wants to talk about.

    Second of all, does that make it right for the people in charge to have their heads up their collective asses?! If they did, where are the firings? Why are those people within the system being promoted? Like Ralph Eberhart; Commander of Chief at NORAD during 9/11, he became the head of Northern Command the year after. Or Richard Myers, who went from acting chair of JCS to Chairman of JCS a couple days later. Or Ben Sliney, who didn't think Air Force One needed military support while in the air during the attacks. Not that Bush was in any trouble or anything.....

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