Some wonderments?

I don't mean to attack a newcomer but didn't you say you believed in the scientific method? This requires research; more than just expecting everyone else to answer your questions. Jon has given you many links to follow. All these links are well sourced. When I first started questioning 9-11 I had questions too and still do,(you can see by my first post) and if someone provids me links to read and gather data or books etc. I would read them.

I cannot take someones endeavors for clarification seriously if they choose not to at least try. You watched Press for Truth and thats a start, but as Jon said it doesn't even scratch the surface of incosistencies and implications that exist.

werther said:

I don't mean to attack a newcomer but didn't you say you believed in the scientific method? This requires research; more than just expecting everyone else to answer your questions. Jon has given you many links to follow. All these links are well sourced. When I first started questioning 9-11 I had questions too and still do,(you can see by my first post) and if someone provids me links to read and gather data or books etc. I would read them.

I cannot take someones endeavors for clarification seriously if they choose not to at least try. You watched Press for Truth and thats a start, but as Jon said it doesn't even scratch the surface of incosistencies and implications that exist.

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Thanks voice of reason. He came here asking for it just by his posture. I just get a bit carried away. Fuck and I'm OLD. Think was I was like in my youth! Good thing there was no internet then.

the_goldenhand said:

as for you wanting me to read everything someone wrote I will not place such faith in one person. In reguard to my conclusion I have none. I can see both sides of the story. I am now having a problem getting the truther side to lay their cards on the table and it seems that when they do it has holes in it. So, it isn't looking all that good from that point of view. I still remain undecided and will for a good while. I am a very unique person. I cannot begin to explain that.

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I will be the first one to admit our theories have holes in them. That is because the government wont be held accountable for anything. We don't know everything. But, we know enough to know that something stinks. So you're unique? Get over there with the rest of the snowflakes...

I can not explain how mind crazy this is. An open mind doesn't mean your going to believe in everything you hear. I looked at both sides and I told you what came to mind and quite frankly you didn't really explain some of my points away.

A: Why did Bush not even want to have an investigation into the biggest act of terrorism in the history of the US?
B: Why did Bush and Cheney refuse to testify seperately and under oath?

This question I wondered about while I was watching the press for truth. I thought of a few reasons why it would make sense for him not to. The first one that came to mind seemed very simple. If of course you don't already believe he is the one that created the whole thing. It would make sense that seeing as how he did have hints that plots using planes for terrorism was possible and that al quada were the ones included in these hints. That he didn't see the use in creating an investigation because it seemed completely obvious to him who done it. It may have been a simple waste of time and money.

B: Why wouldn't they testify seperately and under oath? What would they be afraid of even if they were the ones behind it all. Also, there are plenty of political reasons why you would want to be interviewed for something like that behind closed doors. It's a sensitive issue and could be damaging even if you weren't plotting against you own country. It could just reveal your complete unawareness and uselessness as a leader. I am getting really tired. I will listen to anything that makes sense that is what I like. You have made fun of me, called me a moron, while I have been completely polite and patient. You know why I have been that way? It's because I was expecting it.

That's what I don't think was conveyed well enough by me. A lot is theory based on facts. Facts that conflict with the official account of the 9/11 attacks. It isn't our job to know everything. I will be the first one to admit I don't. It's their job to answer our questions. I DO know, however, that we were lied to about a GREAT MANY THINGS. Things that if investigated, would most assuredly bring criminal charges against some of those sitting in the White House, and elsewhere.

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I can not explain how mind crazy this is. An open mind doesn't mean your going to believe in everything you hear. I looked at both sides and I told you what came to mind and quite frankly you didn't really explain some of my points away.

A: Why did Bush not even want to have an investigation into the biggest act of terrorism in the history of the US?
B: Why did Bush and Cheney refuse to testify seperately and under oath?

This question I wondered about while I was watching the press for truth. I thought of a few reasons why it would make sense for him not to. The first one that came to mind seemed very simple. If of course you don't already believe he is the one that created the whole thing. It would make sense that seeing as how he did have hints that plots using planes for terrorism was possible and that al quada were the ones included in these hints. That he didn't see the use in creating an investigation because it seemed completely obvious to him who done it. It may have been a simple waste of time and money.

BWAHAHAHA!!!

B: Why wouldn't they testify seperately and under oath? What would they be afraid of even if they were the ones behind it all. Also, there are plenty of political reasons why you would want to be interviewed for something like that behind closed doors. It's a sensitive issue and could be damaging even if you weren't plotting against you own country. It could just reveal your complete unawareness and uselessness as a leader. I am getting really tired. I will listen to anything that makes sense that is what I like. You have made fun of me, called me a moron, while I have been completely polite and patient. You know why I have been that way? It's because I was expecting it.

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BWAHAHHAH!!!

Sorry, I don't mean to laugh, but thank you for that.

because it seemed completely obvious to him who done it. It may have been a simple waste of time and money.

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Yes you are correct. Our president has proven to be quite frugal and punctual.

My God man... you honestly believe Bush thought "it seemed completely obvious to him who done it", and "it may have been a simple waste of time and money?"

You know what? I don't trust Bush's judgement on that one, and next time someone's loved one is murdered, and there are questions about that murder, maybe the police should disregard it because it's a "simple waste of time and money." I'm sure that "someone" would LOVE that.

Of ALL the people in elected office, the President of the United States should WANT to know how and why it happened so as to prevent it from EVER happening AGAIN. Yet, he and Dick Cheney DID NOT WANT TO INVESTIGATE THE ATTACKS. No one was held accountable. People were promoted who should have been fired, and there are a MULTITUDE of questions that STILL need answers.

If you would take the time to read ANY of the links provided to you, over time, you would learn this.

Well, I am fairly certain that many of the people sitting in power lied about things. It is obvious that they lied about wether or not they could imagine planes being used in this way. With the resources the United States has they definitely had heard things hinting in this direction. Now, seeing as how Bush wasn't in office very long in terms of presidential life spans go before 911 happened. I don't really know that he would have been expecting it this soon if of course lol you don't believe he was the master mind behind it.

I have to ask this one point blank. How did Bush create this huge cover up and join so many people into his vision. Shape their mindset in such a way that no one ever leaked his evil plans even still today. How did he do all of this before he even had the presidential position? That is the weirdest thing to me. How did he create the plan for 911 when he wasn't even in office when it was being plotted? I mean I yes will sound like a non-believer when saying that but I'm saying it because it doesn't make sense not because I have a bias opinion about it. It simply doesn't add up.

It can make sense that he maybe even found out that it was going to happen but done nothing on purpose. That I can invision all kind of grand reasons for him to allow it to happen. But for him to actually be the one to create the scheme seems out of reach since he wasn't even in a position to be doing that during the time that it was happening. Not to mention Al qaeda was plotting attacks during Clinton's presidency. The ideas in bin laden's head have been their for a very long time.

Be specific jerk-off... I attacked you. But fear not, my MORON detector is going nuts, so you and your unique self can debate this with the more tolerant on this forum. I attack you because you know how you are spinning this, and even if you don't ignorance is no excuse. You came in here as if you were a few points higher on the IQ scale then the rest of us. The scientific, logical snowflake. The very title of your fucking thread gave you away. The posts that followed just sealed the deal.
I do however apologize for the hurtful remarks I have made. I simply can't help myself. The last of your posts clinched it for me. That you would think that the reasons you gave would MAKE IT OK for that liar to not be brought to justice.... I mean, there's just no reply to that. You are: A snowflake (sans snow), or Sean Hannity.

And sadly enough yes there are times the lives become a waste of time and money for the government. If all signs pointed to al qaeda and he had been saying it was them for "X" time then what makes you think he'd suddenly be like....yea, maybe I was wrong. Maybe I should go back maybe someone else caused all of this.

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And sadly enough yes there are times the lives become a waste of time and money for the government. If all signs pointed to al qaeda and he had been saying it was them for "X" time then what makes you think he'd suddenly be like....yea, maybe I was wrong. Maybe I should go back maybe someone else caused all of this.

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So you're basing everything on his word? That "Al-Qaeda" was responsible?

Tell me. Why should I trust George Bush?

You know what you all have done........You have done what many experts would assume you would do. You would attack the person stating things that disagree with you instead of attack the things they were saying. Explain how what I was saying is wrong. That is what I'm looking for. I am not looking to disprove you I want to see what is really going on here through means of debate. What you are doing now is childish and you should think about it and maybe actually attempt to explain your stance instead of repeating it with bigger fonts sizes.

Gold9472 said:

So you're basing everything on his word? That "Al-Qaeda" was responsible?

Tell me. Why should I trust George Bush?

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And this from the guy who doesn't want all of his eggs in one basket by reading a book or two. But for GWB, we take him at his word. I really have to walk away from this one Jon. Can you ban me from just this thread?

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You know what you all have done........You have done what many experts would assume you would do. You would attack the person stating things that disagree with you instead of attack the things they were saying. Explain how what I was saying is wrong. That is what I'm looking for. I am not looking to disprove you I want to see what is really going on here through means of debate. What you are doing now is childish and you should think about it and maybe actually attempt to explain your stance instead of repeating it with bigger fonts sizes.

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You watched one video. You do not qualify to debate here. Follow some links, get some more core knowlege, and come back. If the words coming out of you are more informed, I will offer a full retraction. Until then, I stand by my assessment.

"And this from the guy who doesn't want all of his eggs in one basket by reading a book or two. But for GWB, we take him at his word. I really have to walk away from this one Jon. Can you ban me from just this thread?"

I am sorry that you didn't get my point. I wasn't meaning at all that you should trust george bush. I will never tell you such a thing. I was using that as an example to reply to something you had said.

Something I had said? Specifically what did I say? BTW, that is how you would talk to a retard: "I'm sorry you didn't get my point." Ugg

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You know what you all have done........You have done what many experts would assume you would do. You would attack the person stating things that disagree with you instead of attack the things they were saying. Explain how what I was saying is wrong. That is what I'm looking for. I am not looking to disprove you I want to see what is really going on here through means of debate. What you are doing now is childish and you should think about it and maybe actually attempt to explain your stance instead of repeating it with bigger fonts sizes.

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I have not attacked you. It is you who "attacked" me, and I ignored it.

"Logic is a tool follow each road to it's conclusion."

"I expect logic. I don't expect someone to bend logic to their needs. That isn't what I want to see."

Gold9472 said:

I have not attacked you. It is you who "attacked" me, and I ignored it.

"Logic is a tool follow each road to it's conclusion."

"I expect logic. I don't expect someone to bend logic to their needs. That isn't what I want to see."

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Now THAT sounds like an attack!

AuGmENTor said:

You watched one video. You do not qualify to debate here. Follow some links, get some more core knowlege, and come back. If the words coming out of you are more informed, I will offer a full retraction. Until then, I stand by my assessment.

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It doesn't matter who you are or how much you know.....if I say something that damages a point you have made....I expect you to either A. give in and say yes that does kind of disprove me a bit or B. (which is what I would hope you could do) disprove what I was saying.

This thread has went completely off base due to repeating and quick reposting and people with a rather short fuse. This is when debates become cluttered and lose their original meaning. I tried pretty hard to stick to solid points and do no dragging of one self into it but you all did not allow that.

I made points that make sense. You did not disprove them and you are still the ones that come down on me like this make fun of me....and basically say i'm an idiot. I am sure that your truther movement will go far with that mentality.