I totally agree. And what you say is written into Jon's plans. When discussing 9/11 he wants to stick to the "known world," if you dig.

What he doesn't want is to be in an interview and the interviewer to have visited this thread and to say, now Jon, do you expect me to believe ... At that point he has to backpeddle and shit. I empathize.

Where he is wrong is in thinking he can win over people who are still clinging to the 9/11 myth. Not happening. Either you are open to alternative views or you are not. The ones that are not simply change the channel when someone saying something they don't agree with is on.

Anyway, I think someone needs to figure out what the extent of hologram technology is in the known world. Hell, we've all been to theme parks that take you on rides where 3-D-appearing virtual-ghosts fly at you. That technology is at least 20 years old.

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I haven't, I'm a boring old person. Nonetheless, you make a good point in finding out the current status of that technology. And yes, I see Jon's point in staying grounded in "the real". That's why the people in the movement who make refrences to "The Matrix" piss me off. When the best you can do is liken our situation to a Hollywood scenario, it doesn't exactly scream credibility.

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True.

My blood pressure rises when 9/11 researchers are called "conspiracy theorists." That really gets to me. Even in idle talk with folks who I think I am making headway with, when this term is used, I know I am suddenly losing the game. That's when I start in, "well, there are a lot of conspiracy theories out there including the one that has Moslem extremists conspiring while operating out of a cave in Afghanistan overseeing the events of that day. Mind you that while he was indicted for the bombing of American embassies and the 1996 Khobar Towers barracks bombing, Ossama has never been indicted for the crimes of 9/11. When the FBI was recently asked why Bin Ladin was never indicted, a spokesperson said he wasn't indicted because there wasn't enough evidence to indict him. So it would seem one theory is at least as good as the next."

But by that point the deal is closed. The term "conspiracy theorist" has been uttered. Minds close. Brainwaves go flat. Conversation over.

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What did I say? No posting of Hologram and CGI, and what do you do? You post Hologram and CGI.

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What's CGI?

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I know.... If you had a video tape of the conversation you could freeze the exact frame where their eyes glaze over and any hope for independent thought is gone. Hence the term "sheeple". They are not neccassarily bad people, but just people so brainwashed by a life of MTV and CNN telling them whats REAL, that they can no longer think ouside the box. I talk to ALOT of people about this, and MAYBE 1 in 4 do anything other than shutdown and let my words roll over them until it's time to say, "nope, couldn't be." They are the "anti-logic" crowd. All too comon in todays world.

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Ignatius Riley...

Is this a plant?

http://www.yourbbsucks.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7613

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Did I? Dood, sorry, I didn't think I had crossed your line in the sand. C'mon, I'm gonna meet you thursday, and I don't wanna worry about gettin beat down for bein bad on you BB!

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The Hologram theory is bullshit. You didn't post it. Igantius Riley did. I'm assuming Ignatius is a friend of Nico Haupt. Nico Haupt's "work" is not welcome on this board.

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I have no idea what that is. Plus, Jon, don't shoot the messanger. Walker is furthering the idea that UA 175 didn't crash into WTC. Not me. I'm just sifting the net, looking for something tasty.

Plus, Jon, from that jpg, that debris could be from about 20+ different makes of airliner. That could indeed be part of a Boeing but how the hell do you and I know it came from UA 11, or 175. It may be from a Boeing from a Raytheon boneyard that was used as a drone and flown into tower 1. FAA radar operators were requesting scrambled jets to go after UA 11 up to 10 minutes after it supposedly hit tower 1. They thought it was still hijacked and flying south towards D.C. They probably thought this because the blip they thought was UA 11 was showing up on their radars as it headed south towards D.C. In fact, it was the Port Authority who called the FAA and told them to spread the word that it was UA 11 that hit tower 1. But some at the FAA didn't get the Port Authority's message and kept asking for jets to go after UA 11 as it cruised over the Atlantic towards D.C. (Paul Thompson's "Terror Timeline," found in book form or online at http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/ )

And as far as I know, Walker isn't even saying that a plane didn't hit tower 1. He IS arguing that FBI COINTELPRO hologram technology was used to make it appear that UA 175 hit tower 2.

Is he right? Hell if I know.

All I know is that you now have an Amtrac electrical engineer who witnessed the Pentagon crash and was on-scene helping victims. He says that it was a "global hawk" that hit the Pentagon, that it wasn't UA 77 and that he smelled cordite while on the scene trying to help. http://total411.info/

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