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jetsetlemming said:
Did you even listen to the recording? What are these 'opinions presented as fact' re: Bush? 'Sounds a lot like what Adolf Hitler used to say'? Cos, y'know - IT DOES. He talks about Bush for all of 3 or 4 minutes, where he says:
Jay Bennish: Rice said this the other day, and Bush reiterated it last night and the implication was that the solution to the violence in the middle east is democratisation. And the implication through his language was that democracies don't go to war. Democracies aren't violent. Democracies won't want WMDs. This is called 'blind niave faith in democracy'. Who is probably the single most violent nation on planet Earth?
Student: We are.
JB: The United States of America, and we're a democracy, quote unquote. Who has the most WMDs in the World?
Student: Us.
JB: United States. Who is continuing to develop new WMDs as we speak? United States. So why does Mr. Bush think that other countries that are democracies won't want to be like us? Why does he think that they'll just want to be at peace with each other? What makes him think that when the Palestinians get their own state that they won't want to pre-emptively invade Israel to eliminate a potential threat to their security, like we supposedly did in Iraq? Do you see the dangerous precendet that we've set by illegally invading another country and violating their soveringty in the name of protecting us from a potential future attack?
Stundents: [Indecipherable]
JB: Why doesn't Mexico invade Guatemala? Maybe they're scared of being attacked? Why doesn't North Korea invade South Korea? They might be afraid of being attacked. Or maybe Iran, and North Korea, and Saudi Arabia [error of fact, Saudi is not an 'Outpost of Tryanny' in US eyes - I guess he meant Syria]... and who else did he add to the list last night? Zimbabwe. Maybe they're all gonna team up and invade us cos we might try to invade them.
Students: [Laughter]
JB: Where does this cycle of violence end? This whole do as I say not as I do thing doesn't work. What was so important about President Bush's speech last nigh, and it doesn't matter if it was President Clinton still, cos its important - is that it's not just a speech to America, its a sppech to who?
Student: The world
JB: The whole world. It's very obvious if you listen to his language, listen to his body language, and if you paid attention to what he was saying, he wasn't always talking to us, he was talking to the whole planet. Threatening the whole planet. He started off his speech by declaring that America should be the country that dominates the world [Partidge: Bush said: "The only way to protect our people, the only way to secure the peace, the only way to control our destiny is by our leadership -- so the United States of America will continue to lead"]. That we have been blessed by God, that we have the best, most advanced system and its our duty as Americans is to use our military to go out into the world and to make the world like us. Sounds a lot like the things Adolf Hitler used to say [see Hitler quotes below]. 'We're the only ones who are right, everyone else is backwards, and its our job to conquer the world and make sure they all live just like we want them to'. Now I'm not saying that Bush and Hitler are exactly the same, obviously not, ok. But there are some eeire similarities to the tones they use. Very, very ethnocentric, right, 'we're right, you're all wrong'.
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This is what all the fuss is about? Hah! Like I said, if he came into the class and said "George Bush and Jesus say some very similar things", we would never have heard of this Jay Bennish, or that little snot Sean Allen.
Hitler quotes:
Here's a great one from a speech the Riechstag in 1937 on the fourth Anniversary of the fascist siezure of power. One need only replace 'Bolshevik' with 'Terrorist', and few other changes in the world situtation and Presto! We have essentially a fill-in-the-numbers Bush speech:
"Here it is not a question of a special form of national life in Russia [nations who harbour terrorists] but of the Bolshevic [Terrorist] demand for a world revolution. If Mr. Eden [Annan] does not look at Bolshevism [Terrorism] as we look at it, that may have something to do with the position of Great Britain [The UN] and also with some happenings that are unknown to us.
But I believe that nobody will question the sincerity of our opinions on this matter, for they are not based merely on abstract theory. For Mr. Eden [Anann] Bolshevism [Terrorism] is perhaps a thing which has its seat in Moscow [Tora Bora], but for us in Germany [America] this Bolshevism [Terrorism] is a pestilence against which we have had to struggle at the cost of much bloodshed. It is a pestilence which tried to turn our country into the same kind of desert as is now the case in Spain [Iraq]; for the habit of murdering hostages [terrorist attacks] began here [on 911], in the form in which we now see it in Spain [Iraq].
National Socialism [America] did not try to come to grips with Bolshevism in Russia [Afghanistan, before 911], but the Jewish international Bolshevics [Muslim International Terrorists] in Moscow [Tora Bora] have tried to introduce their system [hatred of freedom] into Germany [America] and are still trying to do so. Against this attempt we have waged a bitter struggle, not only in defence of our own civilization but in defence of European [Freedom loving] civilization as a whole."
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The teaching of Bolshevism [Terrorist ideology] is that there must be a world [Islamic] revolution, which would mean world-destruction. If such a doctrine were accepted and given equal rights with other teachings in Europe, this would mean that Europe would be delivered over to it. If other nations want to be on good terms with this peril, that does not affect Germany's [America's] position. As far as Germany [America] itself is concerned, let there be no doubts on the following points: — (1) We look on Bolshevism [Terrorism] as a world peril for which there must be no toleration.
(2) We use every means in our power to keep this peril away from our people.
(3) And we are trying to make the German [American] people immune to this peril as far as possible.
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"I shall not neglect anything that is necessary to guarantee the existence of the German [American]people, although other nations may become the victims of the Bolshevic [Terrorist] infection."
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Since January 30th [September 11th] four years ago I have made the acquaintance of the third friend — anxiety for the people and the Reich [America], which have been entrusted to my guidance. From that time this anxiety has never left my side and will probably remain a faithful companion until the end of my days. But how could a man bear the burden of this anxiety were it not for the faith he has in his mission and which enables him to trust that He who is above us all sanctions my work.
Some other quotes from that 'strong leader', which I could easily see the Bush regime spewing forth:
"In actual fact the pacifistic-humane idea is perfectly all right perhaps when the highest type of man has previously conquered and subjected the world to an extent that makes him the sole ruler of this earth… Therefore, first struggle and then perhaps pacifism."
"It must be thoroughly understood that the lost land will never be won back by solemn appeals to the God, nor by hopes in any League of Nations, but only by the force of arms."
"Strength lies not in defense but in attack."
"The German people are not a warlike nation. It is a soldierly one, which means it does not want a war, but does not fear it. It loves peace but also loves its honor and freedom"
"What we have to fight for is the freedom and independence of the fatherland, so that our people may be enabled to fulfill the mission assigned to it by the creator"
"There is a road to freedom. Its milestones are Obedience, Endeavor, Honesty, Order, Cleanliness, Sobriety, Truthfulness, Sacrifice, and love of the Fatherland."
"Let us never forget the duty, which we have taken upon us"
. Anyway, this topic is going off nowhere. It's about how this teacher was teaching his students his personal beliefs and politics instead of the course at hand. He was indoctrinating them. I have seen teachers do this first hand, and in most cases about half the students like what they hear because it re-enforces what they've heard before, about half don't like it but don't say anything because the teacher controlls their grades, and the resy don't care enough to pay attention, and keep hearing this crap over and over and over until it becomes a default statement to them when thinking about politics.