newbie 9/11 question: to what extent does "Zionism" play a role?

[thumper]

I see this brought up from time to time

[PhilosophyGenius]

Zionism:
A Jewish movement that arose in the late 19th century in response to growing anti-Semitism and sought to reestablish a Jewish homeland in Palestine. Modern Zionism is concerned with the support and development of the state of Israel.

I think it was Sharon who said the attacks were "good for Israel" because Americans would support them more, and they would have more sympathy from the people and would be able to carry out there horrible policies against the Palestinians and they would look like the good guys.

[Gold9472]

Read...

http://www.yourbbsucks.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5763

[thumper]

Zionism:
A Jewish movement that arose in the late 19th century in response to growing anti-Semitism and sought to reestablish a Jewish homeland in Palestine. Modern Zionism is concerned with the support and development of the state of Israel.

okay, what do you guys make of this?

TEN QUESTIONS TO THE ZIONISTS

1. IS IT TRUE that in 1941 and again in 1942, the German Gestapo offered all European Jews transit to Spain, if they would relinquish all their property in Germany and Occupied France; on condition that:

a) none of the deportees travel from Spain to Palestine; and

b) all the deportees be transported from Spain to the USA or British colonies, and there to remain; with entry visas to be arranged by the Jews living there; and

c) $1000.00 ransom for each family to be furnished by the Agency, payable upon the arrival of the family at the Spanish border at the rate of 1000 families daily.

2. IS IT TRUE that the Zionist leaders in Switzerland and Turkey received this offer with the clear understanding that the exclusion of Palestine as a destination for the deportees was based on an agreement between the Gestapo and the Mufti.

3. IS IT TRUE that the answer of the Zionist leaders was negative, with the following comments:

a) ONLY Palestine would be considered as a destination for the deportees.

b) The European Jews must accede to suffering and death greater in measure than the other nations, in order that the victorious allies agree to a "Jewish State" at the end of the war.

c) No ransom will be paid

4. IS IT TRUE that this response to the Gestapo's offer was made with the full knowledge that the alternative to this offer was the gas chamber.

5. IS IT TRUE that in 1944, at the time of the Hungarian deportations, a similar offer was made, whereby all Hungarian Jewry could be saved.

[...]

http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/rabbi_quotes/weissmandl.cfm

if anything, this group alleges the Zionists CAUSE the anti-semitism.

[PhilosophyGenius]

In my understanding the Zionists were homies with the British during WWII. So after the war they got hooked up with Palestinian territory. I may be off a little but it's something along those lines. During that time the jews were also conducting "terrorist attacks" against the Palestinians which had even killed some brits, that was possibly by the Zionists as well. (something along those lines)

[thumper]

hold on a sec. if the true agenda isn't really 'protecting' jews, (since they foment anti-semitism in the first place) what's the real goal?

[Gold9472]

Hold on. Who said it wasn't part of the agenda?

[thumper]

Hold on. Who said it wasn't part of the agenda?

judging from their actions?

[Gold9472]

judging from their actions?

Their actions clearly show that protecting Israel was part of the agenda.

And let's not forget what the President said on 2/1/2006...

"Israel is a solid ally of the United States, we will rise to Israel's defense if need be."

[Gold9472]

So anyway, it was part of the agenda, but not ALL of the agenda. It also DOES NOT mean that you should hate all jews.