5 Tapes from 9/11

[somebigguy]

Definitely

The elevators didn't run straight from top to bottom.

Let's picture this...the plane hits and explodes in the tower. OK, I get that.

An elevator cart survives the destruction, fills with burning kerosene, makes it 78 floors down to the lobby, opens and said kerosene fire erupts from the compartment blasting out lobby windows. Can anyone visually imagine this scenario? To conjure up what it might have looked like is something Hollywood specialises in, not reality.

If I took a flamethrower and fired it at a plate glass window a few feet away, the pane would probably melt before it breaks.

High explosives going off in the sub levels would account for this.
That glass was exposed to an energy so strong, it shattered in place, from standing strong to pieces all over, in an instant.

As for the alleged burning corpse, I have to wonder...can a human being engulfed in flames live long enough to go down 78 floors and still have the life in them to stumble out of the elevator, dropping dead a few feet away?
Would someone on fire have the calm required to get in a closed-space elevator compartment, push the L button and wait it out?

Very convenient that the corpse wasn't shown. I wonder how many cameramen would have resisted the instinctual urge to "get the shot"
I mean, they enter the lobby unaware of the scenes to unfold before their eyes. I'm no camera guy but am I going out on a limb to suggest that the operator was seeing things through the lens? When you're looking through the viewfinder, you're locked in and unable to "look around" beyond the point of focus, right? That's why the handy-cams all have fold-out screens these days. It's much easier to get the shot looking with both eyes at a small screen. The pros still use the "scope" obviously and I believe Naudet was using something a bit better than consumer handy-cam offerings.

I find it very, very peculiar that a professional camera operator walking into a "war zone", film rolling and locked in to his view-finder, DIDN'T get the shot of the burning corpse.

Does the footage roll along un-cut in this alleged burning corpse moment?

If so, I am amazed that Naudet pulled off this editing-room censoring while filming the piece live and un-scripted. What camera jockey alive could match this achievement??

He's squinting through the lense, assumedly missing out on anything around him outside of his camera's focus. Not one inch of the said burning man appears in the footage. How did he go by it so non-chalantly?

Did he open his left eye for a second, see the burning corpse nearby, and judge it to be unsuitable and too graphic, and kept on filming what lied ahead? What camera jockey alive would do this or even be capable of this, I ask again? Not even a brief shot? Nothing? This is the stuff editing rooms were designed for!! This is the stuff that surfaces on the internet years later for all sickos to enjoy.

Isn't this the same guy that was casually filming some firemen going about their business, heard jet engines and turned his camera towards the direction the firemen's attention? The same guy that then "instinctively" framed the WTC towers and caught the alleged F 11 hitting the tower and exploding? This guy is "good" right?(so good that he zoomed in on the tower only when the explosion began to erupt, after the plane was safely inside)

This Naudet thing is psy-ops super-size, IMO.

You think so? Interesting, I don't know if the footage runs uncut or not, I'll have to give it another look. I noticed the Naudet video did edit out the firefighters discussing the bombs going off as the building collapsed, the scene sets up exactly with the firefighters gathering around and discussing the collapse and then it cuts away just as they would begin discussing the explosives.

I've heard others mention it was psy-ops too, however, without that video we wouldn't have a video of the first impact which clearly shows the flash, or the video of the firefighters discussing the explosives.

[somebigguy]

I've just spent about 5 hours watching the first tape again. It's now about 5 PM, we all know that WTC 7 collapses around 5:20. The interesting thing is, THEY'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT IT SINCE 4:13. They have the cameras pointed right at WTC7 waiting for it to collapse.

WTC7 is currently smoldering pretty good, but there's no huge inferno.

Anyway, I have a pretty detailed timeline going that begins at 1:31 in the afternoon, not as early as I'd like, but better than nothing. I'll post the details in a new thread, and I'll go back for additional data later.

[EmceeSoze]

Great SBG

I've just found some great WTC7 photos...in particular #2606 and #3073 at this site...

http://hereisnewyork.org/gallery/thu...ID=3&picnum=97

Obviously, this small, isolated fire was enough to melt every support column in WTC7, leading to a perfect, uniform collapse right on top of itself.

BULLSH*T!!!

As for the Naudet doc, it may contain footage that cries INSIDE JOB to us, but to the denyists, it puts them into deeper illusion.
I for one, would be lost without the Naudet tape. It wasn't until I examined the first impact explosion carefully did I make the leap from Let It Happen On Purpose, to full-blown Gov't operation.

I worship that first impact explosion. It is vastly different than the second impact explosion, and should be the smoking gun it obviously is.
The plane penetrates and the fireball erupts IN THE EXACT OPPOSITE DIRECTION OF THE PLANE'S MOMENTUM!! Heeeellooooo!!

At WTC2, the jet screams in, penetrates and the massive fireball erupts out the side and right through the tower following, naturally, the plane's path.

Watch the Naudet clip! Plane in, and in miliseconds, the explosion begins to shoot right out the hole, and at the exact same time a MASSIVE blast pops right out the side of the tower. This side blast is quite interesting because it consists of pulverised concrete and particulate, and this very debris cloud is hurled quite some distance from the tower - again, not following the plane's momentum.

Then the real beauty...the fireball itself. Anyone watched Farenheit 9/11? My FAVORITE part was where they replay the Baghdad "Shock & Awe" first night bombings. There's a particular bomb hit where the camera zooms and gives a good showing of the explosion's behavoir. The second I saw it my mind produced..."holy fuck, that looked a lot like the Naudet explosion!!!"

At the WTC, watch the fireball's behavoir...it flashes with brilliant ferocity out of the hole made by the plane. As it dissipates and turns to smoke, note the colour of the rising smoke. Anyone see any soot-laden BLACK colour in this cloud, like the WTC2 explosion? Nothing close, nothing!! Tan/grey is what I see. No black soot...again, no black soot.

Then there's the wee puff of debris that shoots out the side of the tower at the same moment as the main explosion...ONLY THIS SECONDARY DEBRIS EJECTION HAPPENS TO BE GOING ON ABOUT TEN FLOORS ABOVE!!

I must stop, I could go on forever. I am an explosion junkie and without Naudet's first impact capture, I don't know where I'd be.

INSIDE JOB!! Say it again...INSIDE JOB!!

[EmceeSoze]

oops

[Gold9472]

[Gold9472]

My question would be... in relation to the picture I just posted, what side was the fire in WTC 7 taking place on, and what offices were on the floors of the fire in WTC7...

Those are the kinds of questions I would want answered re, the towers, etc...

[somebigguy]

Great SBG

I've just found some great WTC7 photos...in particular #2606 and #3073 at this site...

http://hereisnewyork.org/gallery/thu...ID=3&picnum=97

Obviously, this small, isolated fire was enough to melt every support column in WTC7, leading to a perfect, uniform collapse right on top of itself.

BULLSH*T!!!

As for the Naudet doc, it may contain footage that cries INSIDE JOB to us, but to the denyists, it puts them into deeper illusion.
I for one, would be lost without the Naudet tape. It wasn't until I examined the first impact explosion carefully did I make the leap from Let It Happen On Purpose, to full-blown Gov't operation.

I worship that first impact explosion. It is vastly different than the second impact explosion, and should be the smoking gun it obviously is.
The plane penetrates and the fireball erupts IN THE EXACT OPPOSITE DIRECTION OF THE PLANE'S MOMENTUM!! Heeeellooooo!!

At WTC2, the jet screams in, penetrates and the massive fireball erupts out the side and right through the tower following, naturally, the plane's path.

Watch the Naudet clip! Plane in, and in miliseconds, the explosion begins to shoot right out the hole, and at the exact same time a MASSIVE blast pops right out the side of the tower. This side blast is quite interesting because it consists of pulverised concrete and particulate, and this very debris cloud is hurled quite some distance from the tower - again, not following the plane's momentum.

Then the real beauty...the fireball itself. Anyone watched Farenheit 9/11? My FAVORITE part was where they replay the Baghdad "Shock & Awe" first night bombings. There's a particular bomb hit where the camera zooms and gives a good showing of the explosion's behavoir. The second I saw it my mind produced..."holy fuck, that looked a lot like the Naudet explosion!!!"

At the WTC, watch the fireball's behavoir...it flashes with brilliant ferocity out of the hole made by the plane. As it dissipates and turns to smoke, note the colour of the rising smoke. Anyone see any soot-laden BLACK colour in this cloud, like the WTC2 explosion? Nothing close, nothing!! Tan/grey is what I see. No black soot...again, no black soot.

Then there's the wee puff of debris that shoots out the side of the tower at the same moment as the main explosion...ONLY THIS SECONDARY DEBRIS EJECTION HAPPENS TO BE GOING ON ABOUT TEN FLOORS ABOVE!!

I must stop, I could go on forever. I am an explosion junkie and without Naudet's first impact capture, I don't know where I'd be.

INSIDE JOB!! Say it again...INSIDE JOB!!

Hey Emcee, also notice the explosion at the Pentagon? An airplane hits it at 500 mph or so and the explosion goes straight up.

Anyway, regarding WTC7, the newscasts were told it was going to collapse well over an hour before it does.

Know what else is interesting in these reports? All the reporters are saying the same thing, that no pilot would fly the airplanes into the building and therefore the hijackers must have known how to fly. Kind of strange don't you think, when we think of terrorists hijacking a plane, we think of them holding a gun to the pilot's head and telling him where to fly. And yet on 9/11, every newscaster (at least on CNN) feels, in no uncertain terms, that the hijackers must have known how to fly a plane because no pilot would ever fly into the building.

[somebigguy]

My question would be... in relation to the picture I just posted, what side was the fire in WTC 7 taking place on, and what offices were on the floors of the fire in WTC7...

Those are the kinds of questions I would want answered re, the towers, etc...

Hey Jon, which one is 7 in those images?

[frindevil]

All this info is very interesting reading, great job man=)

I've been glued to reading this thread, can't wait to see whats next.

- Frind

[somebigguy]

All this info is very interesting reading, great job man=)

I've been glued to reading this thread, can't wait to see whats next.

- Frind

Just finishing up the first tape now, will have a detailed timeline shortly...