Page 13 of 17 FirstFirst ... 31112131415 ... LastLast
Results 121 to 130 of 167

Thread: Class Is Now In Session

  1. #121
    Goatfish Guest

    Hey!

    Quote Originally Posted by Gold9472
    Definitely a conversation that could be taken into another thread.
    I thought you had hit the sack! You stalker you!
    Yeah, sorry about the detour advice. Cooking chicken parm and 9/11 definitely don't make a real meal..

  2. #122
    Goatfish Guest

    This is a BIG giveaway!!!

    "In a third scenario, the target was the Pentagon — but that drill was not run after Defense officials said it was unrealistic, NORAD and Defense officials say."

    WHY did they think it was unrealistic? Because they all knew damn well that a plane would never get the chance to get near the Pentagon. Here is indirect proof that some kind of standdown MUST have been issued.

  3. #123
    Join Date
    Jan 2005
    Location
    America
    Posts
    30,749
    Quote Originally Posted by Goatfish
    "In a third scenario, the target was the Pentagon — but that drill was not run after Defense officials said it was unrealistic, NORAD and Defense officials say."

    WHY did they think it was unrealistic? Because they all knew damn well that a plane would never get the chance to get near the Pentagon. Here is indirect proof that some kind of standdown MUST have been issued.
    No One Knows Everything. Only Together May We Find The Truth JG


  4. #124
    Goatfish Guest

    thankie

    It's funny, when I read that a few years back it slapped me upside the head. I said to myself, "here we have officials ADMITTING that a Pentagon strike is not even possible!" And they were so positive about their assumption that they didn't even bother taking a plane strike against the Pentagon into consideration.
    I guess that story about Cheney barking at that little piker that "the order still stands" really probably is true..

  5. #125
    Join Date
    Jan 2005
    Location
    America
    Posts
    30,749
    Quote Originally Posted by Goatfish
    It's funny, when I read that a few years back it slapped me upside the head. I said to myself, "here we have officials ADMITTING that a Pentagon strike is not even possible!" And they were so positive about their assumption that they didn't even bother taking a plane strike against the Pentagon into consideration.
    I guess that story about Cheney barking at that little piker that "the order still stands" really probably is true..
    Norman Mineta Is Key

    "During the time that the airplane was coming in to the Pentagon, there was a young man who would come in and say to the Vice President, "The plane is 50 miles out." "The plane is 30 miles out." And when it got down to "the plane is 10 miles out," the young man also said to the Vice President, "Do the orders still stand?" And the Vice President turned and whipped his neck around and said, "Of course the orders still stand. Have you heard anything to the contrary?"

    How can Dick Cheney be monitoring Flight 77 for 50 miles from the PEOC? The 9/11 Report says he didn't get there until 9:58am. The Pentagon was hit at 9:37 according to the 9/11 Report.

    Now you know why Norman Mineta's testimony was omitted from the 9/11 Report.

    They re-wrote history to suit their needs.

    The best accounts have Cheney at the PEOC by 9:10am.

    On 9/13/2001, during Richard B. Myers confirmation hearings for Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, he stated that the order to scramble took place "after the Pentagon was struck." So obviously the order Dick Cheney was referring to was not a scramble order, but a stand down order. The reason it took an hour and 45 minutes to scramble a plane, and the reason why the "young man" kept running in and out. Would he need to run in and out if the order was to shoot down the plane? No, he would have received that order, and awaited confirmation of the shoot down to report back to Cheney.

    Keep in mind, on 9/11/2001, the responsibility for scrambling planes fell under the secretary of Defense.

    CJCSI 3610.01A

    Actual Document
    Click Here

    As a Director for Operations of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Admiral Fry issued an 'Instruction', CJCSI 3610.01A, which superseded earlier Department of Defence procedures for dealing with hijacked aircraft. The document, dated June 1, 2001, effectively stripped commanders in the field of all authority to act expeditiously, by stipulating approval for any requests involving "potentially lethal support" must be personally authorized by the Secretary of Defense, then as now Donald Rumsfeld. The order further requires the Secretary of Defense to be personally responsible for issuing intercept orders.

    Fry issued CJCSI 3610.01A for the purpose of providing "guidance to the Deputy Director for Operations (DDO), National Military Command Center (NMCC), and operational commanders in the event of an aircraft piracy (hijacking) or request for destruction of derelict airborne objects." The CJCSI further states, "In the event of a hijacking, the NMCC will be notified by the most expeditious means by the FAA. The NMCC will, with the exception of immediate responses as authorized by referenced, forward requests for DOD assistance to the Secretary of Defense for approval."
    No One Knows Everything. Only Together May We Find The Truth JG


  6. #126
    Join Date
    Jan 2005
    Location
    America
    Posts
    30,749
    "On 9/13/2001, during Richard B. Myers confirmation hearings for Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, he stated that the order to scramble took place "after the Pentagon was struck." So obviously the order Dick Cheney was referring to was not a scramble order, but a stand down order. The reason it took an hour and 45 minutes to scramble a plane, and the reason why the "young man" kept running in and out. Would he need to run in and out if the order was to shoot down the plane? No, he would have received that order, and awaited confirmation of the shoot down to report back to Cheney."
    No One Knows Everything. Only Together May We Find The Truth JG


  7. #127
    Join Date
    Jan 2005
    Location
    America
    Posts
    30,749
    Norman Mineta's Omitted And Covered Up 9/11 Commission Testimony

    Click Here
    No One Knows Everything. Only Together May We Find The Truth JG


  8. #128
    Goatfish Guest

    Sweet

    "The document, dated June 1, 2001, effectively stripped commanders in the field of all authority to act expeditiously, by stipulating approval for any requests involving "potentially lethal support" must be personally authorized by the Secretary of Defense, then as now Donald Rumsfeld. The order further requires the Secretary of Defense to be personally responsible for issuing intercept orders."

    This was a seriously wicked coup that Rummy carried out. Rummy saw to it that he was a ghost as well on 9/11. I believe he was brunching with someone in the Pentagon, knowing that a plane was headed in that direction. Nothing fishy there. This was of course KEY to letting the planes fly around at their leisure. If the military was able to auto-respond, like they had been able to before this last minute change, those planes would have all been taken out, even most likely Flt. 11. Ain't it funny and so damn coincidental that this order was handed down just 3 months before 9/11? Reminds me of Silverstein buying out the WTC complex in July (just 2 months before) and taking out that juicy insurance policy.
    It still utterly boggles my mind how he is allowed to collect on the insurance money for WTC7 when there is footage of him publicly admitting to deliberately destroying his own property..


  9. #129
    PhilosophyGenius Guest
    Just a suggestion, but can the next class be about flight 93 or flight 77? Perhaps both? I'd love that to be discussed.

  10. #130
    Ignatius Riley Guest
    Yo PG,

    I posted this on another thread. It is something of a timeline. Don't think Gold particularly approves of it, but you might be able to get him to admit that important information is contained in it.

    Timeline by Team8plus.org ( http://www.team8plus.org/the-movement/radar/Radar.htm ):

    1. 7: 59 Flight 11 takes off from Logan airport
    2. 8:14 United Airlines Flight 175 takes off from Logan airport
    3. 8:14 Hijacking of Flight 11 apparently begins. It may have been a staged hijacking or part of a terror drill.
    4. 8:21 Flight 11 switches off its transponder at the edge of an area that just happens to have no primary radar coverage. Two "drone" flights (remote controlled plane bombs) fly in from this no-radar zone and creep into the radar shadow above Flight 11. These drone flights may have been using Operation Vigilant Guardian as additional cover. Operation Vigilant Guardian was a huge military exercise taking place that week featuring Russian planes flying over the Arctic Circle to attack America. Meanwhile, Flight 11 begins to reduce its altitude.
    5. 8:27 Flight 11 appears to turn very close to Schenectady county airport. What really happens is that Flight 11 flies down towards the Mohawk river valley towards Griffiss Air Base (6) and the two drones, still flying in formation, continue down the Hudson river towards New York City.
    6. Flight 11 either lands at Griffiss Air Base (home of NEADS, the North Eastern base for NORAD) or flies on to be shot down or destroyed over the great lakes.
    7. 8:39-8:43 At this point, Drone Flight 11 and United Airlines Flight 175 come very close together. The remaining drone peels off from formation to rendezvous with Flight 175 over Stewart International airport.
    8. 8:46:40 Flight 11(drone) crashes into the North Tower of the World Trade Center.
    9. 8:42 Just before the crash, Flight 93 is taking off from Newark, around 42 minutes late.
    10. 8:47 Flight 175 switches off its transponder, right at the same time that Flight 93 makes a little unexplained detour to meet it. Both these planes are in the same place at the same time and Flight 175 disappears. Coincidence? No, Flight 175 flies West in Flight 93's radar shadow. Flight 175 goes on to land, possibly at Cleveland or Pittsburgh airport under cover of diversion. 8:51 Flight 175 deviates from its assigned cruising altitude.
    11. (Time not available) Air traffic controllers spot an "intruder over Allentown" (Washington Post, Sept 17th 2001). This is a plane flying with an unidentified transponder code and is later assumed to be Flight 175.
    12. 9:03 It is, in fact, a drone flight that goes on to crash into the South Tower of the World Trade Center.
    13. 9:41 Flight 93, also in the midst of a staged hijacking or terror drill turns off its transponder and drops down low. A drone plane flying in through another hole in the primary radar coverage slips in to take its place on the radar.
    14. 10:03 Just before it is shot down, flight 93 is approaching Johnstown Airport. Coincidentally there was a meeting of the Local Emergency Planning Agency (LEPA) in the control tower of Johnstown Airport the day before (See The Johnstown "Terror Team" Cover-up). Was this plane supposed to be part of a terrorist attack drill? The drone, a white unmarked plane, is seen by numerous witnesses circling the crash site. Its presence is never properly explained
    15. 8:20 Flight 77 takes off from Dulles Airport (Washington D.C.)
    16. 8:39 Flight 77 makes a small detour to the north in an area with no primary radar coverage. At this point it meets the drone, which has flown down from the north through an area with no radar coverage.
    17. 8:51 Flight 77 makes its last radio contact. 8:56 It then switches off its transponder and disappears from ATC radar scopes. This is due to the fact that the radar tracking it at the time is a "Secondary only" radar site that depends on responses from the plane's transponder to give a location for the plane. The plane also turns at the weak centre-point between the two primary radars.
    18. 9:07 The Flytecomm video shows Flight 77 reappearing again and flying onwards to the west. The presence of this plane was confirmed by Col. Alan Scott at the 2nd hearing of the Commission (9-11 commission hearing, 23rd May 2003). It still appears to be in the air after 10:00.
    19. (Time not available) Once again the plane exploits vulnerabilities in the radar coverage to avoid being shot down as it enters restricted D.C. air space. Dulles controllers raise the alarm that an unidentified plane is approaching Washington at about 9:29 (Washington Post, Nov 3, 2001)
    20. 9:37 The official time that Flight 77 crashes into the Pentagon
    Notice the precision timing involved. We frequently see two or more events happening at the same time, like a magician distracting the audience.
    • 8:14 Flight 11 is hijacked; Flight 175 takes off.
    • 8:39 Flight 11 and Flight 175 nearly meet; Flight 77 deviates from its path.
    • 8:46/47 Flight 11 crashes; Flights 175 and 93 meet each other
    • 8:51 Flight 77 makes last radio contact; Flight 175 deviates from its assigned altitude
    ...

    What happened to the passengers?

    Now the tricky part, if plane swapping took place, what happened to the real planes and the passengers? Unfortunately this is where we currently have to resort to educated speculation.

    In Operation Northwoods we saw the original "plane swapping" scenario. In this case, the military planners at the pentagon were confident that they could fabricate passengers by creating non-existent IDs for the people on the plane. They were also noticeably confident that no-one would blow the whistle.

    However, you can be sure that the 9-11 passengers are not on a desert island somewhere.

    Perhaps a number of planes were shot down that day. This is where you get "layers within layers" of the cover-up. Picture this fictional officer speaking: "Listen guys, we accidentally shot down another plane that was conducting an emergency drill today. What really hit the North Tower was a jet that the hijackers chartered from Schenectady County Airport. You understand that the public don't need to know about this, right?"

    There are many other possibilities, perhaps the passengers were killed before the plane landed at some remote location.

Similar Threads

  1. Replies: 0
    Last Post: 07-05-2006, 08:45 AM
  2. Class Is Now In Session - A Review
    By Gold9472 in forum 9/11 Justice Forum
    Replies: 2
    Last Post: 04-15-2006, 12:55 PM
  3. Class Project -- Need help
    By Prime in forum 9/11 Justice Forum
    Replies: 19
    Last Post: 11-11-2005, 04:20 PM
  4. Replies: 0
    Last Post: 11-01-2005, 07:56 PM
  5. Bush Holds Rare Unscripted Session
    By Gold9472 in forum The New News
    Replies: 0
    Last Post: 05-09-2005, 09:29 AM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •