The U.S. Used Chemical Weapons In Iraq, And Lied About It

[AuGmENTor]

Exactly. NOTHING is going to stop them or us. The Geneva Conventions was a fuckin joke from the get go.

[Gold9472]

Plus... the sheer hypocrisy of the usage of Chemical Weapons. We invaded Iraq under the pretext that they had WMD, and were going to kill us with them. What do we do? We invade Iraq, and use Chemical Weapons on them first. Even though they didn't have any.

[Gold9472]

There needs to be something that says what is "right", and what is "wrong." Killing civilians is wrong... that kind of thing.

[AuGmENTor]

Plus... the sheer hypocrisy of the usage of Chemical Weapons. We invaded Iraq under the pretext that they had WMD, and were going to kill us with them. What do we do? We invade Iraq, and use Chemical Weapons on them first. Even though they didn't have any.

This I agree with.

[AuGmENTor]

There needs to be something that says what is "right", and what is "wrong." Killing civilians is wrong... that kind of thing.

Like the civilians in Hiroshima and Nagasaki?

[Gold9472]

Some argue that the bombings of those cities was wrong. However, the end result was "good" because it ended the war.

Bottom line is Mr. AuGmENTor is that war is "wrong", period.

[AuGmENTor]

Some argue that the bombings of those cities was wrong. However, the end result was "good" because it ended the war.

Bottom line is Mr. AuGmENTor is that war is "wrong", period.

Well, DUH. But it is a fact. There is no way to stop it.

[Uber Commandante]

I thought you all might find this interesting, given the discussion of right/wrong, treaties, lawbreaking, and hypocrisy (and all in one thread!).

Article VI
All debts contracted and engagements entered into, before the adoption of this Constitution, shall be as valid against the United States under this Constitution, as under the Confederation.

This Constitution, and the laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, anything in the Constitution or laws of any State to the contrary notwithstanding.

The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the members of the several state legislatures, and all executive and judicial officers, both of the United States and of the several states, shall be bound by oath or affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States.

So...this is Ariticle 6 of the US Consititution. As you can clearly see in RED, any treaties that are signed by the US are to be considered as US laws: "the supreme law of the land", and elected officials are bound to uphold them. By breaking the various treaties that needed to be broken in order to invade iraq and torture people, George W, as the commander in chief, made a voluntary choice to ignore these treaties. In doring so, he unequivocally broke the law - there is NO question about this - read it yourself right there in the Article -and he should be brought to justice by congress.

Instead, what we are witnessing is a deliberate move by a DEMOCRATICALLY controlled congress to systematically ingnore this clear-cut law breaking, and thereby facilitate the atrocities that are taking place.

So who you gonna vote for next time, suckas???

[Uber Commandante]

and for my follow up post: the US signed the Chemical Weapons Convention in 1993, and ratified it in 1997. In it, they and the other signatories pledge to (among other things), neither develop nor use chemical weapons.

Here is a link to the CWC fact sheet about chemical weapons: http://www.opcw.org/docs/fs4.pdf

and here is one to the full text: http://www.opcw.org/docs/cwc_eng.pdf