The Jesus Factor (video)

[danceyogamom]

Do you agree that the world was created in 7 days, and that man and women where created right after?

To me, in religion, you either take the whole cake or not at all

And don't get me wrong, I'm not insulting you or anyone who is religous. I'm very religious myself. What I'm saying is, I don't appreciate someone imposing there religious beliefs on me.

I think the question is ... how can a mere mortal like me possibly grasp the concept of time as it applies to God?

a day to me is 24 hours. There have been several different measurements of time throughout humanity's history ... why would God be on the same time clock as DYM, living in the central time zone?

Moses lived to be over 500 ... but of course, they measured their years differently.

stories have been used as teaching tools for as long as humanity has been communicating. Aesop's lessons are no less valuable even if the story itself isn't 100% true.

no different with Genesis.

[PhilosophyGenius]

I think the question is ... how can a mere mortal like me possibly grasp the concept of time as it applies to God?

a day to me is 24 hours. There have been several different measurements of time throughout humanity's history ... why would God be on the same time clock as DYM, living in the central time zone?

Moses lived to be over 500 ... but of course, they measured their years differently.

stories have been used as teaching tools for as long as humanity has been communicating. Aesop's lessons are no less valuable even if the story itself isn't 100% true.

no different with Genesis.

very good point, but you belive that dinosours existed? or that evolution occured? cuz supposedly God created man right after earth

and also, there are factual errors in the bible. there were no slaves in Egypt and the egyptian army was never destroyed.

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[danceyogamom]

very good point, but you belive that dinosours existed? or that evolution occured? cuz supposedly God created man right after earth

and also, there are factual errors in the bible. there were no slaves in Egypt and the egyptian army was never destroyed.

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of course I believe in dinosaurs. I use fossil fuels don't I?

I'm Catholic, not a fundamentalist. I don't take the bible literally, it isn't part of the Catholic dogma. (I should also state here that I don't believe in a huge amount of Catholic dogma either. Most of the rules were made by men to suit their own purposes. They have little to do with God or the teachings of Jesus)

of course there are factual errors in the bible ... most people don't consider the politial motivations behind compiling the books.

originally every tribe had an arc, and there was a political advantage to change it to one arc - so the language of the testament was changed in order to suit the needs of the time.

this happens throughout the bible.

Jesus wasn't born on December 25. It was already a large holy day and co-opting the day and some of the rituals convinced more Gentiles to convert. Same thing with Easter.

The Virgin Mary was made into a much bigger symbol as Christianity moved through Europe to attract the mother goddess worshipers.

books were left out of the new testament because they didn't suit the ideals of a unified church. specific concepts from the old testament were made more prominent, as other concepts were downplayed.

it is all about cultural, political and power developments of the church and society

[PhilosophyGenius]

of course I believe in dinosaurs. I use fossil fuels don't I?

I'm Catholic, not a fundamentalist. I don't take the bible literally, it isn't part of the Catholic dogma. (I should also state here that I don't believe in a huge amount of Catholic dogma either. Most of the rules were made by men to suit their own purposes. They have little to do with God or the teachings of Jesus)

of course there are factual errors in the bible ... most people don't consider the politial motivations behind compiling the books.

originally every tribe had an arc, and there was a political advantage to change it to one arc - so the language of the testament was changed in order to suit the needs of the time.

this happens throughout the bible.

Jesus wasn't born on December 25. It was already a large holy day and co-opting the day and some of the rituals convinced more Gentiles to convert. Same thing with Easter.

The Virgin Mary was made into a much bigger symbol as Christianity moved through Europe to attract the mother goddess worshipers.

books were left out of the new testament because they didn't suit the ideals of a unified church. specific concepts from the old testament were made more prominent, as other concepts were downplayed.

it is all about cultural, political and power developments of the church and society

Good points, you certainly know your stuff. But back to my original argument:

I don't want religious politicians and judges imposing there religious views on me and many people agree with that. I don't want creationsim taught in science classes along with evolution. I don't want religious groups or senators telling me what is indecent based on there supposledly high moral standards. And I'm sure you agree with me on this, that it's certainly not right how gays are unfairly bashed and told there sinners. I mean there's even a group called "God hates fags".

Most of all, I really don't appreciate how religious fundementalist are telling people like me that I'm gonna go to hell because I don't belive in Jesus or thier God. It doesnt neccessaraly piss me off, but I just think that they feel there better and morally superior than everyone else when there really not. Everyone is equal no matter what religion.

I'm sure you feel me on that

P.S. I dont think being a Christian (or being a religious person) mean your automatically a fundementalist

[PhilosophyGenius]

http://dictionary.reference.com/sear...fundamentalist

Fundamentalist:

1. A usually religious movement or point of view characterized by a return to fundamental principles, by rigid adherence to those principles, and often by intolerance of other views and opposition to secularism.

1. <LI type=a>often Fundamentalism An organized, militant Evangelical movement originating in the United States in the late 19th and early 20th century in opposition to Protestant Liberalism and secularism, insisting on the inerrancy of Scripture.
2. Adherence to the theology of this movement