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    beltman713 Guest

    Continuous War from 1984

    Interesting reading

    Under this lies a fact never mentioned aloud, but tacitly understood and acted upon: namely, that the conditions of life in all three super-states are very much the same. In Oceania the prevailing philosophy is called Ingsoc, in Eurasia it is called Neo-Bolshevism, and in Eastasia it is called by a Chinese name usually translated as Death-Worship, but perhaps better rendered as Obliteration of the Self. The citizen of Oceania is not allowed to know anything of the tenets of the other two philosophies, but he is taught to execrate them as barbarous outrages upon morality and common sense. Actually the three philosophies are barely distinguishable, and the social systems which they support are not distinguishable at all. Everywhere there is the same pyramidal structure, the same worship of semi-divine leader, the same economy existing by and for continuous warfare. It follows that the three super-states not only cannot conquer one another, but would gain no advantage by doing so. On the contrary, so long as they remain in conflict they prop one another up, like three sheaves of corn. And, as usual, the ruling groups of all three powers are simultaneously aware and unaware of what they are doing. Their lives are dedicated to world conquest, but they also know that it is necessary that the war should continue everlastingly and without victory. Meanwhile the fact that there is no danger of conquest makes possible the denial of reality which is the special feature of Ingsoc and its rival systems of thought. Here it is necessary to repeat what has been said earlier, that by becoming continuous war has fundamentally changed its character.

    The war, therefore, if we judge it by the standards of previous wars, is merely an imposture. It is like the battles between certain ruminant animals whose horns are set at such an angle that they are incapable of hurting one another. But though it is unreal it is not meaningless. It eats up the surplus of consumable goods, and it helps to preserve the special mental atmosphere that a hierarchical society needs. War, it will be seen, is now a purely internal affair. In the past, the ruling groups of all countries, although they might recognize their common interest and therefore limit the destructiveness of war, did fight against one another, and the victor always plundered the vanquished. In our own day they are not fighting against one another at all. The war is waged by each ruling group against its own subjects, and the object of the war is not to make or prevent conquests of territory, but to keep the structure of society intact. The very word 'war', therefore, has become misleading. It would probably be accurate to say that by becoming continuous, war has ceased to exist. The peculiar pressure that it exerted on human beings between the Neolithic Age and the early twentieth century has disappeared and been replaced by something quite different. The effect would be much the same if the three super-states, instead of fighting one another, should agree to live in perpetual peace, each inviolate within its own boundaries. For in that case each would still be a self-contained universe, freed for ever from the sobering influence of external danger. A peace that was truly permanent would be the same as a permanent war. This -- although the vast majority of Party members understand it only in a shallower sense -- is the inner meaning of the Party slogan: War is Peace.

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    Did you transcribe that from the book?
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    beltman713 Guest
    From the online book.

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    somebigguy Guest
    For those of us that are too stupid/lazy to read the book, such as myself, here is a short movie that sums up the book:

    http://www.uriah.com/apple-qt/1984.html

    BTW, check out the knockers on that chick!!!

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    beltman713 Guest
    That was gay, except for the knockers.

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    ThotPolice Guest
    Lies are truth, and whats the other one?

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    Quote Originally Posted by beltman713
    That was gay, except for the knockers.
    They were some pretty nice knockers I must say.
    No One Knows Everything. Only Together May We Find The Truth JG


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    princesskittypoo Guest
    i can't believe i bought the book. i haven't started reading it but if it has language such as what is written above i will never get through it. i have a hard time sometimes fallowing things that are written on this bb from the news. i may not be able to read it and fallow it and get the correct meanings out of it.

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    ThotPolice Guest
    Quote Originally Posted by beltman713
    That was gay, except for the knockers.
    The british movie made about the book was gay to.

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    ThotPolice Guest
    Quote Originally Posted by princesskittypoo
    i can't believe i bought the book. i haven't started reading it but if it has language such as what is written above i will never get through it. i have a hard time sometimes fallowing things that are written on this bb from the news. i may not be able to read it and fallow it and get the correct meanings out of it.
    you will get used to it, Its actually a good love story too.

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