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    Valfather Guest

    Aerobatics of Flightschool Flunkies?

    I'm still new to the 9-11 reality shock, so I have much to learn. From what I can glean, the pilots accused of flying airplanes into buildings on 9/11/01 were considered by their flight instructors as threats to themselves and others. Not because they were potential terrorists, but because they were dreadful pilots.

    This is from http://www.9-11commission.gov/report/911Report_Ch1.htm
    At 9:29, the autopilot on American 77 was disengaged; the aircraft was at 7,000 feet and approximately 38 miles west of the Pentagon.59 At 9:32, controllers at the Dulles Terminal Radar Approach Control "observed a primary radar target tracking eastbound at a high rate of speed." This was later determined to have been Flight 77. At 9:34, Ronald Reagan Washington National Airport advised the Secret Service of an unknown aircraft heading in the direction of the White House. American 77 was then 5 miles west-southwest of the Pentagon and began a 330-degree turn. At the end of the turn, it was descending through 2,200 feet, pointed toward the Pentagon and downtown Washington. The hijacker pilot then advanced the throttles to maximum power and dove toward the Pentagon.

    At 9:37:46, American Airlines Flight 77 crashed into the Pentagon, traveling at approximately 530 miles per hour. All on board, as well as many civilian and military personnel in the building, were killed.

    This is one man's effort to describe the flight path:


    Former USAF Pilot's Analysis of Flight 77's Final Approach






    Now here's the problem folks. According to the analyses such as are found at the following link , this plane was knocking the ladybugs off the grass without touching the ground when it hit the first floor of the pentagon flying parallel to the ground.

    http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon...uncropped.html

    The Pentagon sits on a flood plane which is downhill from the direction of approach. That means this rookie pilot marginally qualified to fly a Cessna 172 single-engine prop-job was able to maneuver a jumbo-jet in a way that would make a Blue Angel jealous. Not only hugging the terrane, but clipping the tops of lightposts as he crossed an overpass just before impact.
    http://terraserver.microsoft.com/ima...400&Y=5380&W=3

    There is some very informative analysis of photos of the Pentagon determining the impact trajectory on this site:

    It was a Plane Bomb

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    Hi. Instead of trying to figure out what hit the Pentagon, why not ask yourself how the Pentagon could have been hit after the SECOND plane hit the WTC. Just a suggestion.
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    Zither Guest
    Yes, thats a big deal to me, too: Why are we told that in regards to 9/11, the federal government, especially the military, operated like the worst stereotype of post office clerks dodging the heavy package. Apparently, if there were ten times as many hijacked planes, they would have all hit their targets if only the hijackers insisted the passengers keep quiet and not talk to anyone.

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    Valfather Guest
    I'm not trying to figure out what hit the Pentagon. I'm trying to figure out why a jumbo jet was acting like a cruse missile. We have the same problems with the WTC. If we look at the pictures on faces 62 & 63 of http://wtc.nist.gov/pubs/NISTNCSTAR1-2BChap1-8Draft.pdf (Pages 1x & 1xi) we see that both planes were sharply banked. That means the pilots (automatic or human) were turning these planes in a large arc when they hit. If they had been just slightly off on the bank of their turn, they wouldn't have even come close to their targets.

    Here are some additional resources to look at.
    http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question...ce/q0146.shtml
    http://wtc.nist.gov/NISTNCSTAR1-2A.pdf

    I spent my tour of enlistment working on the electronics of these systems:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIM-23_Hawk

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    Valfather Guest
    Quote Originally Posted by Valfather
    This is one man's effort to describe the flight path:

    I don't believe that map is accurate. I still haven't been able to put all the pieces together in my mind to figure out exactly what the plane did in it's final seconds. That is, other than fly down Columbia Pike at 530 miles per hour.[1]

    At 9:29, the autopilot on American 77 was disengaged; the aircraft was at 7,000 feet and approximately 38 miles west of the Pentagon.59 At 9:32, controllers at the Dulles Terminal Radar Approach Control "observed a primary radar target tracking eastbound at a high rate of speed." This was later determined to have been Flight 77. At 9:34, Ronald Reagan Washington National Airport advised the Secret Service of an unknown aircraft heading in the direction of the White House. American 77 was then 5 miles west-southwest of the Pentagon and began a 330-degree turn.
    This isn't making a lot of sense to me. The plane is coming in from the west. The Pentagon is west southwest of DC. Why does the plane begin a 330-degree turn 5 miles west soutwest of the Pentagon? Which direction does it turn? What was its heading before the turn?

    At the end of the turn, it was descending through 2,200 feet, pointed toward the Pentagon and downtown Washington. The hijacker pilot then advanced the throttles to maximum power and dove toward the Pentagon.

    At 9:37:46, American Airlines Flight 77 crashed into the Pentagon, traveling at approximately 530 miles per hour. All on board, as well as many civilian and military personnel in the building, were killed.
    [1]Just as a side note: I used to drive that route regularly. Sometimes to the Pentagon where I did contract work. One contract I was on shortly after the attack had lost its commander in the attack. Not all of the US Military was in on this crime.

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