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    No War With Iran

    No War With Iran

    Jon Gold

    Before I begin, I'd like to say that I am neither a fan of Iran, or an opponent of Iran. I just don't want anymore damn wars.

    Recently, a Judge ruled "that Iran was complicit in the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorists attacks that killed nearly 3,000 people, including 18 Bucks County residents." Here is the evidence according to the article:
    Using a team of experts, including former members of the 9/11 Commission, and the testimony of three Iranian defectors, the lawyers put on a four-hour presentation for Daniels on Thursday.

    During the hearing, defector Abdolghassem Mesbahi, who was once an aide and close confidant of Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, the Islamic Republic’s founder, revealed that he had firsthand knowledge of terrorist plots dating to the 1980s.

    Mesbahi, whose identity was kept secret until the hearing, said he knew in August 2001 that there was a plan in place to hijack airplanes and fly them into buildings.

    Another defector testified that he was with al-Qaida’s second in command, Ayman al-Zawahiri, when the terrorist attended four days of meetings with top Iranian officials in January 2001 to plan the 9/11 attacks.

    The third defector told the judge that he helped write up the debriefing reports of Iran’s al-Qaida liaison, Imad Mugniyeh, after he returned to Iran from Afghanistan following 9/11.

    To further prove Iran’s complicity in the attacks, Mellon presented the testimony of Janice Kephart, a former counsel to the U.S. Senate Judiciary Subcommittee on Technology, Terrorism and Government Information and former immigration counsel to the Sept. 11 Commission.

    Kephart said Iran put a “senior Hezbollah operative” on flights with the 9/11 hijackers in the months before the attacks, to ensure that the terrorists’ passports, which they obtained in Saudi Arabia, wouldn’t be stamped with Iranian or Afghan travel stamps, red flags that would have jeopardized their plot.

    Kephart noted that travel documents are “important weapons” for terrorists.
    I don't know if what's being put forward is legitimate. I think it's interesting that 9/11 families can sue Iran, but not Saudi Arabia.

    Years ago, back in 2006, Ahmadinejad wrote a letter to George W. Bush. In that letter, he said, "September eleven was not a simple operation. Could it be planned and executed without coordination with intelligence and security services – or their extensive infiltration? Of course this is just an educated guess. Why have the various aspects of the attacks been kept secret? Why are we not told who botched their responsibilities? And, why aren’t those responsible and the guilty parties identified and put on trial? All governments have a duty to provide security and peace of mind for their citizens." Bush ignored the letter, and I'm fairly sure not many Americans were aware of it. It doesn't seem like a letter that would be sent by the President of a country involved in the 9/11 attacks, but that's not definitive.

    The 9/11 Commission was a farce, and that has been proven time and time and time again, so to believe anything from the 9/11 Report 100% is ill advised. In 2004, Bush's Presidential campaign said that "the Commission's report makes the case for the policies that U.S. President Bush has been pursuing in the War on Terror and eliminates any doubt that the best defense against the threat of global terror is a strong offense." How nice for them. Wouldn't it be nice to find out the truth about 9/11 so that day can no longer be used to start anymore wars, or take away our civil liberties?

    With regards to defectors, someone by the name of Ahmed Chalabi was made famous by providing faulty information concerning Iraq's WMDs from a defector known as "Curveball." So, I don't put much stock into what defectors say.

    They talk about support of Al-Qaeda. They don't talk about how the West, Saudi Royals, and the Pakistani ISI support(ed) Al-Qaeda. Because they don't, it seems like their assertions are agenda driven and hypocritical.

    The U.S. and Israel have been threatening Iran for years. According to Sy Hersh, and others, we have been covertly operating within Iran for years, and now it seems like that is continuing.

    If anyone has a right to protect themselves, and develop a nuclear weapon, it is Iran (if they are, which is very much in doubt), considering how the U.S. and Israel are threatening them, and wrecking havoc within their country. No one with a brain wants nuclear weapons, however, we are the terrorists in this equation. Not Iran.


    On 7/30/2006, for some reason, I wanted to see what the headlines were for mainstream news sites on the day of the release of the 9/11 Report, which was 7/22/2004. This was CNN.

    This was MSNBC.

    No One Knows Everything. Only Together May We Find The Truth JG

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    US court orders Iran, others to pay $6 billion for 9/11

    (AFP) – 2 hours ago

    NEW YORK — A US judge formally ordered Iran, Al-Qaeda and several other defendants Wednesday to pay $6 billion compensation to the victims of September 11, 2001, in a largely symbolic ruling.

    Although Iran denies any connection to 9/11, it was included in the list of alleged culprits by the US District Court in New York, along with the Lebanese militant group Hezbollah, Afghanistan's Taliban guerrillas and Al-Qaeda, which took credit for the massive terror attack.

    Iran's supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is also named.

    However, the money, awarded for economic, personal and punitive damages for a total of $6,048,513,805, is unlikely to be recovered.

    Iran is in a tense standoff with the United States over multiple issues, especially its nuclear industry and alleged plan to build an atomic weapon. Iranian-backed Hezbollah has no relations with the United States.

    Al-Qaeda founder Osama bin Laden, who is also named, was killed by US Navy SEALs in a raid inside Pakistan in 2011. The Taliban are in an active war with US-led troops across Afghanistan.

    The ruling caps a series of court decisions prompted by lawsuits filed by families of 47 victims from among the nearly 3,000 killed on 9/11.

    Last year, Judge George Daniels signed a judgment in favor of the plaintiffs. A magistrate then calculated the recommended compensation, which Daniels on Wednesday approved in his ruling.

    Bin Laden and Al-Qaeda claimed responsibility for the attacks, in which hijacked airliners were used to bring down the World Trade Center towers in New York and to crash into the Pentagon near Washington.

    The Taliban ruled Afghanistan at the time and were giving shelter to Al-Qaeda. Iran was blamed by the US court partly because some of the hijackers passed through the country on their way to carrying out the attacks.
    No One Knows Everything. Only Together May We Find The Truth JG

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