Some wonderments?

[the_goldenhand]

Well, I am fairly certain that many of the people sitting in power lied about things. It is obvious that they lied about wether or not they could imagine planes being used in this way. With the resources the United States has they definitely had heard things hinting in this direction. Now, seeing as how Bush wasn't in office very long in terms of presidential life spans go before 911 happened. I don't really know that he would have been expecting it this soon if of course lol you don't believe he was the master mind behind it.

I have to ask this one point blank. How did Bush create this huge cover up and join so many people into his vision. Shape their mindset in such a way that no one ever leaked his evil plans even still today. How did he do all of this before he even had the presidential position? That is the weirdest thing to me. How did he create the plan for 911 when he wasn't even in office when it was being plotted? I mean I yes will sound like a non-believer when saying that but I'm saying it because it doesn't make sense not because I have a bias opinion about it. It simply doesn't add up.

It can make sense that he maybe even found out that it was going to happen but done nothing on purpose. That I can invision all kind of grand reasons for him to allow it to happen. But for him to actually be the one to create the scheme seems out of reach since he wasn't even in a position to be doing that during the time that it was happening. Not to mention Al qaeda was plotting attacks during Clinton's presidency. The ideas in bin laden's head have been their for a very long time.

[the_goldenhand]

And sadly enough yes there are times the lives become a waste of time and money for the government. If all signs pointed to al qaeda and he had been saying it was them for "X" time then what makes you think he'd suddenly be like....yea, maybe I was wrong. Maybe I should go back maybe someone else caused all of this.

[Gold9472]

And sadly enough yes there are times the lives become a waste of time and money for the government. If all signs pointed to al qaeda and he had been saying it was them for "X" time then what makes you think he'd suddenly be like....yea, maybe I was wrong. Maybe I should go back maybe someone else caused all of this.

So you're basing everything on his word? That "Al-Qaeda" was responsible?

Tell me. Why should I trust George Bush?

[AuGmENTor]

So you're basing everything on his word? That "Al-Qaeda" was responsible?

Tell me. Why should I trust George Bush?

And this from the guy who doesn't want all of his eggs in one basket by reading a book or two. But for GWB, we take him at his word. I really have to walk away from this one Jon. Can you ban me from just this thread?

[the_goldenhand]

"And this from the guy who doesn't want all of his eggs in one basket by reading a book or two. But for GWB, we take him at his word. I really have to walk away from this one Jon. Can you ban me from just this thread?"

I am sorry that you didn't get my point. I wasn't meaning at all that you should trust george bush. I will never tell you such a thing. I was using that as an example to reply to something you had said.

[the_goldenhand]

You know what you all have done........You have done what many experts would assume you would do. You would attack the person stating things that disagree with you instead of attack the things they were saying. Explain how what I was saying is wrong. That is what I'm looking for. I am not looking to disprove you I want to see what is really going on here through means of debate. What you are doing now is childish and you should think about it and maybe actually attempt to explain your stance instead of repeating it with bigger fonts sizes.

[AuGmENTor]

You know what you all have done........You have done what many experts would assume you would do. You would attack the person stating things that disagree with you instead of attack the things they were saying. Explain how what I was saying is wrong. That is what I'm looking for. I am not looking to disprove you I want to see what is really going on here through means of debate. What you are doing now is childish and you should think about it and maybe actually attempt to explain your stance instead of repeating it with bigger fonts sizes.

You watched one video. You do not qualify to debate here. Follow some links, get some more core knowlege, and come back. If the words coming out of you are more informed, I will offer a full retraction. Until then, I stand by my assessment.

[the_goldenhand]

You watched one video. You do not qualify to debate here. Follow some links, get some more core knowlege, and come back. If the words coming out of you are more informed, I will offer a full retraction. Until then, I stand by my assessment.

It doesn't matter who you are or how much you know.....if I say something that damages a point you have made....I expect you to either A. give in and say yes that does kind of disprove me a bit or B. (which is what I would hope you could do) disprove what I was saying.

This thread has went completely off base due to repeating and quick reposting and people with a rather short fuse. This is when debates become cluttered and lose their original meaning. I tried pretty hard to stick to solid points and do no dragging of one self into it but you all did not allow that.

I made points that make sense. You did not disprove them and you are still the ones that come down on me like this make fun of me....and basically say i'm an idiot. I am sure that your truther movement will go far with that mentality.

[Gold9472]

It doesn't matter who you are or how much you know.....if I say something that damages a point you have made....I expect you to either A. give in and say yes that does kind of disprove me a bit or B. (which is what I would hope you could do) disprove what I was saying.

This thread has went completely off base due to repeating and quick reposting and people with a rather short fuse. This is when debates become cluttered and lose their original meaning. I tried pretty hard to stick to solid points and do no dragging of one self into it but you all did not allow that.

I made points that make sense. You did not disprove them and you are still the ones that come down on me like this make fun of me....and basically say i'm an idiot. I am sure that your truther movement will go far with that mentality.

"You did not disprove them." You did not click on ONE THING I posted for you. You speak of "open-mindedness".

Give me a break.

[AuGmENTor]

It doesn't matter who you are or how much you know......

Spoken like a true neocon... Jon, this guy is right. Make him a MOD immediately. This thread is WAYYY too cluttered.