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    I Have A 9/11 Question

    Has anyone ever checked to see if any planes were missing from the boneyard, or in the military, or talk to people responsible for inventory of those types of things?
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    I've heard that one or more of the alleged planes are still in service, might be interesting if that could be proven.

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    Quote Originally Posted by somebigguy
    I've heard that one or more of the alleged planes are still in service, might be interesting if that could be proven.
    Michael Ruppert's major argument is the fact that Remote Controlled airplanes were used during "Live Fly" exercises...

    Ok... where would the military go to get airplanes to be fitted with Remote Controls? A "throwaway" to be used during an exercise...

    Or, they went all out, and built new planes just for 9/11.

    Either way, if they were Remote Controlled airplanes, there has to be mechanics aware of fitting remote controls on a plane. Where do they do that? What types of planes have been fitted? There have to be records for those kinds of things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gold9472
    Ok... where would the military go to get airplanes to be fitted with Remote Controls? A "throwaway" to be used during an exercise...

    Or, they went all out, and built new planes just for 9/11.

    Either way, if they were Remote Controlled airplanes, there has to be mechanics aware of fitting remote controls on a plane. Where do they do that? What types of planes have been fitted? There have to be records for those kinds of things.
    I suspect that, if you can buy off/intimidate a demolition crew, media, and gov. officials, it would be very easy to buy yourself a mechanic. It would be even easier to retrofit them or buy a brand new plane, especially if it's from boeing. What if they were already fitted years ago. Is that mechanic still alive?

    Going after players that seem to have benefitted from gov. handouts and contracts is difficult. They will hide/destroy evidence at all cost, especially if they have something to lose and everything to gain. Much like the confiscated video from the citgo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ehnyah
    I suspect that, if you can buy off/intimidate a demolition crew, media, and gov. officials, it would be very easy to buy yourself a mechanic. It would be even easier to retrofit them or buy a brand new plane, especially if it's from boeing. What if they were already fitted years ago. Is that mechanic still alive?

    Going after players that seem to have benefitted from gov. handouts and contracts is difficult. They will hide/destroy evidence at all cost, especially if they have something to lose and everything to gain. Much like the confiscated video from the citgo.
    Since this thread was created, I've done some research into the claim that DARPA, under contract of the DOD, may have developed technology in the 70's that enables someone to take control of a plane in the event of a hijacking. So as to safely land them. If that's the case, then that fits perfectly into 9/11.

    Because of the wargames using "Live Fly" drills, they were already set up to control a plane.
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    However

    consider this:

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    * In Aug, 2001, Raytheon engineers successfully landed a unpiloted Boeing 727 by remote control at Holloman Air Force Base in New Mexico. The purpose of the pilotless system was to allow ground controllers to take over the controls of a hijacked aircraft.[27] A combination of GPS Satellite and ground signals were used to orient the aircraft. Raytheon is the manufacturer of the pilotless Global Hawk surveillance aircraft. On Sept 12, 2001, Raytheon issued a statement that four of their high-level officials and engineers were listed among the dead passengers of Flight 11 which was reported as hijacked and crashed on 9/11.[28]

    [27]"US Safety System: Kidnapped Machines Land Independently, " Der Spiegel [German newspaper], October 28, 2001, Link
    LinkType "raytheon" into search box. Note: Holloman is a German Air Force Base in the U.S.

    [28]"Raytheon Mourns Loss of Employees," Press Release, Sept. 12, 2001, Link

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    Raytheon to Develop Joint Precision Approach and Landing System

    LEXINGTON, Mass., June 17, 1999 -- Raytheon Company (NYSE: RTNA, RTNB) has been awarded a $5.8 million Air Force contract to develop the Joint Precision Approach and Landing System (JPALS).

    JPALS is the future multi-service, low-visibility landing system that replaces aging systems with a single technology for all services and missions. These include fixed-base, tactical and shipboard applications. JPALS is a military variant of the Local Area Augmentation System (LAAS) civil landing system technology that will provide improved low-visibility operations in benign and hostile environments and military-civil interoperability. Both the military and civil versions of this technology augment the basic Global Positioning System (GPS) signal providing very precise and reliable landing guidance in a format already familiar to pilots.

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    Already working on a "special operation" to invade Afghanistan, but still sitting at AFB Tampa, Florida: Commander Charles Holland.

    Not far away from AFB Tampa, Raytheon's Airport Services, a private hangar, which would eventually fly out "high-ranking Saudi royals" and "Bin Laden family members", on their way to New Orleans, right after Sep11th.

    There are many speculations, that 9/11 needed some "inside manipulations" for this "military operation". Some also argued, that some of the war drill planes or even the official "hijacked" planes got remote controlled to reach their targets.

    The list of the following suggestions includes some programs and institutions, which possibly got infiltrated, sabotaged or otherwise manipulated:

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    Center for Advanced Aviation System Development (CAASD)
    CAASD is the FAA's Federally Funded Research and Development Center.
    In 1998, director Amr A. ElSawy was responsible for the establishment and operation of a new MITRE-controlled affiliate (AvInt) and led the development of its Aeronautical Information Services business.
    He was also responsible for guidance of the information technology investment strategy and leadership of the international aviation work program in Egypt.


    Display Channel Complex Rehost (DCCR)

    DCCR had been in use in Ronkonkoma since May 1997. It replaced the Display Channel Complex (DDC)
    (see DSR)


    Display System Replacement (DSR)

    In late 1999, the New York Traffic Control Center in Ronkonkoma started with a transition of the Enhanced Direct Access Radar Channel (EDARC), "providing a highly reliable interface to the National Airspace System (NAS) for control of commercial, general aviation, and military aircraft in the United States".
    As we learned in May 2004, it was revealed, that FAA manager Kevin Delaney of Ronkonkoma, destroyed some air traffic controller tapes from September 11th.

    Fieldsoft

    In October 2000, Don Abbott from the Command Emergency Response Training, eFilms, organised a Pentagon Mass Casualty Exercise (MASCAL), as the crash was called, just one of several scenarios that emergency response teams were exposed in the Office of the Secretaries of Defense conference room.
    On Oct. 24, there was a mock terrorist incident at the Pentagon Metro stop and a construction accident. For this case, Abbott built a miniature pentagon building and crashed planes into it.



    Don and Bev Abbott worked also on "Abbottville - A Disaster Waiting to Happen" to RRT-4.

    Since 1987, Emergency Film Group had already produced and distributed award-winning training films, videos and DVDs of interest to the hazardous materials, counterterrorism, environmental and emergency response.
    Among their customers of Emergency Film Group are Boeing, CIA, Department of Defense (Biological Warfare Defense), Department of Homeland Security, Eli Lily, FAA, FBI, FEMA, General Electric, GSA, Honeywell, Lawrence Livermore, Lockheed, Los Alamos, NASA, NSA, Raytheon and Westinghouse.

    One of their leading simulation software is FdonScene.
    It was George Bush, who erstwhile approved FdonScene, when it was first endorsed by the Texas Fire Chiefs Association, while he was governor (1998).

    The Timeline of Fieldsoft (Chandler, AZ):

    April 30, 1997
    In one of their first press releases, it says, that "the experiences of co-founder Mark Bouchard (a career battalion chief with the Chandler AZ Fire Department) led to development of their products.
    These include FDonScene, PDonScene, EMSonScene Incident Command software products.

    January 15, 1998
    FieldSoft Announces Trial Software Offer


    ("...You will not be bored for one minute...", Command School, Inc. Lancaster PA)

    May 14, 1999
    FieldSoft, Inc. announced that the U.S. Air Force Operational Test and Evaluation Center completed a comprehensive field evaluation of FDonScene command, accountability, and pre-plan software.
    The evaluation (conducted at Luke Air Force Base, Arizona) comprised of planned exercises and actual emergency responses.

    September 4, 2000
    FieldSoft announced today that CERT of Indianapolis, IN. has selected FieldSoft's FDonScene software to augment their tactical and incident command training simulation exercises.
    Bev Abbott reports that active use of the product is planned for "the start of our 2001 series of trainings".

    September 11th, 2001

    "Coincidentally", a new trial software of FDonScene (for the fire service) was installed in time on the morning of 9/11.

    In a report on the Fieldsoft website, one can read, how it was used:
    "...Over 700 victims passed through the Atlantic Highlands Ferry Port in New Jersey following the September 11, 2001 WTC attack. Two fire departments, three local police departments, as well as representatives from county, state, and federal agencies were on hand to assess and assist the victims as they embarked. Emergency units on the scene included 40 ambulances, an FD communications unit, a decontamination unit, and 10 pieces of fire apparatus. A communications unit member on scene at the Port, who had seen a ninety minute demonstration of the software a few days earlier, brought a trial copy of FDonScene on line and used it to track people, resources, and events. A second person watched how the software was being used, and took over operation of it a few hours later. Overall, the software was operated successfully for 14 hours....."


    Right after Sep11th, Fieldsoft also hooked up with Aether.
    Aether's Chief Executive Officer David Oros was former president of the Wireless Data Group for Westinghouse Electric, where he directed large programs in advanced airborne radar design and development.
    Also President Frank Briganti, prior to joining Aether in July of 2000, spent nearly 20 years with Westinghouse Electric Corporation and Northrop Grumman.
    Between 2001 and 2002, Briganti focused on Aether's "MobileMAX2" product line inclusive of satellite network operations. Between 2003 and 2004, Fieldsoft also worked with Raytheon and Motorola on new product lines.



    In March 2001, the James Baker Institute hosted a Seminar on Micro-Nuclear Technology, together with U.S. and Japanese nuclear scientists, among them Westinghouse Electric and Japan Atomic Power Co. Ltd.

    Simulation, War and Space worked hand in hand.

    Meanwhile, Westinghouse is providing China with nuclear technology.
    China is yet another competitor of Space Technology, including launching recoverable satellites, soft-landing technology, rockets, and outer space exploration.
    In October 2000, China had successfully launched 27 foreign-made satellites for users in Pakistan, Australia, Sweden, the United States, the Philippines, as well as domestic users.

    Also competing with U.S. and China: Russia.
    They just recently replaced their Space Agency Chief with Colonel-General Perminov, previously commander of the army's space division.
    In April 2001, Perminov was interviewed on connections between Space Troops' activities and various areas of country's development.


    Government Emergency Telecommunications Service (GETS)

    In April 1996, Lieutenant General Harry D. Raduege, Jr.
    became the program director for GETS.
    GETS provides Federal, State and local government National Security and Emergency Preparedness
    (NS/EP) users, as well as private sector critical infrastructure users, with a ubiquitous switched voice and voice-band data communications service.

    Flight Termination System (FTS)

    Developed by SPC International (System Planning Coorporation).
    Former Vice President was Dr. Zakheim.

    System Planning Corporation developed the Flight Termination System (FTS), a safety and test system for remote control and flight termination of airborne test vehicles.
    Doc Zakhaim became later member of the Bush Administration.

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    And... they would have to somehow get rid of the actual planes. That's where it starts to sound ridiculous to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gold9472
    And... they would have to somehow get rid of the actual planes. That's where it starts to sound ridiculous to me.
    Hey Jon, I've heard of someone who was watching the radar that day that saw the planes actually disappear over the ocean. I don't know if I buy that, sounds kind of risky, the wreckage could wash up somewhere.

    However, there is no question that the gov't could stash planes somewhere and strip them down. There is also some talk that a couple of the flights may never have existed, which would resolve most problems. I do believe in the Bumble Planes theory which is why 93 HAD to be shot down, seems to be a bit of evidence to support this too. Especially when Rummie said it was shot down by a missle, then the article you posted this week, plus the witnesses of the additional planes in the area etc.

    One day someone is gonna piece all this together, and I think that will be sooner rather than later. Momentum seems to be building at the moment...

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    Or... they had some way to take control of a plane... During an exercise, where "Remote Controlled Planes" are being used, they are already using the technology to do so... maybe that's what they did.
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