Should We Ignore or Discredit “Disinformation” in the 9/11 Movement?

[Swmorgan77]

In speaking with media, highly public forums or to 9/11 truth newbs, I think ignore is the best approach. Any effort to bring them up is an attempt to associate, and divert from the good information you might otherwise present

However it imporant that we systematically refute them, and make these refutations public like the paper which examines the "no planes" thesis located at www.journalof911studies.com

Overall, we should not draw attention to these theories, but make the information refuting them available for those who need it.

[MrDark71]

These conspiracy artisans are only going to quagmire any efforts at the truth. I just don't understand these people. All of their intentions are seemingly similar to those who seek the truth yet they feel compelled to just "make shit up" when they don't even have to. After watching video doc's ad nauseum on the subject I had to stop and focus. I felt the need to seperate from my urge to find the truth and even question what the fuck I was even doing. It reminded me of the early 90's reinsurgence of JFK investigation seekers when the overwhelming amount of "theories" ended up sounded like a bunch of B-movie plots...going so far as to even inadvertantly derailing another with contradiction.

It's a show. It always has been. The more people involved the more convoluded the analysis becomes and so on. Disinformation WILL BE the first story to hit the mainstream press about any truther theory. It has to. It will play on our emotions and thoughts and stir the soup further from "the truth". Think about it.....JFK was killed by the CIA...no wait...the mafia....no wait...the military...no wait Castro. You almost forget about Lee Harvey Oswald.

The same things gonna happen with 9/11. The only way to discredit the "official" story is to simply ask questions? Fabricating answers like "pods on the bottoms of the planes" proves nothing to anyone. Yeah..I saw the videos...do I think it's possible they were military planes with armed weapons?...sure. Do I want to try and convince people that is the truth from some crappy video in the age of photoshop? I don't think so.

As a "truth" movement we can only gain credibility by denouncing loudly any information that CAN"T BE PROVED (such as the official story). Alex Jones and his kind need to be stopped. A unified "quest for truth" by definition HAS NO ANSWERS! Thusly those who seem to think they do are not one of us and should be labeled and discredited.

[AuGmENTor]

On this you and I are in total agreement. Don't hypothesize SHIT. There is MORE THAN ENOUGH to fuck these guys without guessing about anything! pointless infighting. I go to 911 blogger sometimes as a guest, and the shit I see there is so detrimental to the whole mvement. Not the whole site mind you, but just all of these ASSHOLES on BOTH sides of the movement.

[Christophera]

Should We Ignore or Discredit “Disinformation” in the 9/11 Movement?I happen to think at this point people of the nature NEED to be exposed. My reasoning is pretty simple. I think anyone who has put the time in to look into this issue knows that the bigger issues are outside of a science study. There are issues with 9/11 that can’t be debated really. You can’t debate NORARD standing down, there is no debate about put options on the airlines, there is no debate about the “money man” meeting with high government officials that day, and I can go on and on.

All of those issues require a lawful and accountable government to do anything with. If you know the WTC was a demo, you also know there is no point in discussing those issues, or you SHOULD know because we do ont have a lawful and accountable government. Part of dumbed down America are the people that are consumed with sensation and just don't think about this point. Disinfo depends partially on this.

Now, .............. consider an entire new aspect of disinformation. It works by plugging up boards with useless information, just like you've mentioned above. It is made to look important because a number of people are discussin it and it has a sensational aspect. If people don't think about my point above, the useless information covers or obscures the useful information.

I consider useful information to be information that we, the people can use ourselves without having to rely on authority which is not present. By use I mean, understand and relate to as it is intended or presented which brings us together in our thinking, united.

So I think what the propaganda machine will be looking for is people they can “group” anyone who questions this very imperative topic into a lump sum. I can see how FOX and the likes will put these people on air just to make everyone look bad. That is what people who hide things do, avoid the real questions and find a way to dirty the waters.

Above there seems to be a mix of what I point out, "muddy the waters" and another aspect which is marginalization of the movement by sharing outrageous nonsense that causes the viewing public to assume and atttude about all 9-11 researchers/activists as a group. Below cottonzway describes this aspect.

I personally don’t want to be grouped with “them” because I don’t believe in my own opinions. I think it is a real concern to ignore these people because WHEN they are on FOX doing a disinfo speech (regardless if they are “agents” or just extremely delusional people) it is not going to help when the guy you have been telling that something stinks with the official 9/11 story says “So YOU GUYS think ______ caused 9/11?” and then totally looks away from real info because you are now “crazy” in his eyes because the media grouped all of us.

I strongly think it’s time we call them out and distance ourselves in a public way as far as we can from these types of people. That’s my opinion though and I wanted to get a feeling of what others feel is the best way to go about dealing with this topic. I would like to see what others feel the best way to deal with this is.

Thanks.

Excellent topic. I applaude.

There is a real problem with the movement. Most of the people in it seem to be computer people rather than a diverse group which have skills or experience that might help in analysis and confirmation of evidence which makes it useful evidence after a fairly small number of people discuss it reasonably and focus on its aspects.

Relating to this, there are divisions in the American public that are unhealthy. I for one lament the fact that the large 9-11 organizations do not strive to centralize the people in the movement that are knowledgable of construction or engineering.

I appears as though the debunkers have many, many people that are knowledgable of engineering. I personally have a good deal of expereince and find that when I ask pointed logical question, they do not answer because te answer will disprove their position.

I agree. Expose and define disinformation. Help people to understand it with accurate facts that come from as raw a source as possible.

[AuGmENTor]

Expose and define disinformation. Help people to understand it with accurate facts that come from as raw a source as possible.

And then STOP! Don't go to their level like I see happen on blogger all the time. Reply to ONLY the issues, and then nothing personal beyond that. Discredit, and THEN ignore.

[Chana3812]

Reply to ONLY the issues, and then nothing personal beyond that.

I agree 100%.

I'm on the "ignore" list.

It's important to respect the rules of the house too ... i.e. in Jon Gold's house - no BS about computer generated images of planes, etc. That works for me Go to web fairy if you want to discuss more crazy stuff.

[AuGmENTor]

I agree 100%.

I'm on the "ignore" list.

It's important to respect the rules of the house too ... i.e. in Jon Gold's house - no BS about computer generated images of planes, etc. That works for me Go to web fairy if you want to discuss more crazy stuff.

My refrence was more for the peple who venture out into the other forums (what other forums, hehe) Of course, EVERYONE behaves in Jons house...

[thumper]

LOL, remember AJ's round table discussion with Peter Lance?

[Christophera]

These conspiracy artisans are only going to quagmire any efforts at the truth. I just don't understand these people. All of their intentions are seemingly similar to those who seek the truth yet they feel compelled to just "make shit up" when they don't even have to. After watching video doc's ad nauseum on the subject I had to stop and focus. I felt the need to seperate from my urge to find the truth and even question what the fuck I was even doing. It reminded me of the early 90's reinsurgence of JFK investigation seekers when the overwhelming amount of "theories" ended up sounded like a bunch of B-movie plots...going so far as to even inadvertantly derailing another with contradiction.

If I speculate, it is about "how come there is so much disinformation".

It's a show. It always has been. The more people involved the more convoluded the analysis becomes and so on. Disinformation WILL BE the first story to hit the mainstream press about any truther theory. It has to. It will play on our emotions and thoughts and stir the soup further from "the truth". Think about it.....JFK was killed by the CIA...no wait...the mafia....no wait...the military...no wait Castro. You almost forget about Lee Harvey Oswald.

True, the disinfo is always the first story to hit the mainstream. It is almost like someone came up with the goofy story then programmed some mind controlled mkultra victim spew about, THEN got a nearby buddy at a local network to "scoop" the story. Over and over now. Oh, .. and yea, ....... don't forget to obsess about the grassy knoll.

The same things gonna happen with 9/11. The only way to discredit the "official" story is to simply ask questions? Fabricating answers like "pods on the bottoms of the planes" proves nothing to anyone. Yeah..I saw the videos...do I think it's possible they were military planes with armed weapons?...sure. Do I want to try and convince people that is the truth from some crappy video in the age of photoshop? I don't think so.

How about 1965, and a sodium pentothol programming session. Words of the programmer.

You are going to notice a bulge on the bottom of the plane. Then you will know it is a missile pod. We will make sure you have friends that know what you know. You will feel excited and see the bulge better and better, then a flash as the missle hits. You can expose the evil government together. You will be hereo's."

We only know that 150,000 Americans were influenced in some way by MKULTRA without their knowledge. We do not know how many more were influenced.

As a "truth" movement we can only gain credibility by denouncing loudly any information that CAN"T BE PROVED (such as the official story). Alex Jones and his kind need to be stopped. A unified "quest for truth" by definition HAS NO ANSWERS! Thusly those who seem to think they do are not one of us and should be labeled and discredited.

No one has any idea WHY MKULTRA was instituted.

A 5 year old male influenced in 1965 would be 55 today and in an age group that would be economically dominant as well as having many contacts in society.

[MrDark71]

No one has any idea WHY MKULTRA was instituted.

pardon my French but wtf is MKULTRA?