W199I

[werther]

Yeah you're right and I know his style. I don't know why I get so worked up.
I am just worried that if I get into an argument and end up using something of Jones' that isn't true. It would be my fault I guess in the end but when you read read read watch documentaries, etc; it becomes ever easier for the information and its origins to be muttled.

Well that and the fact that there is so much fact out there that I just can't see a reason to 'sensationalize'.(though I think he went beyond that with this)

[Partridge]

Yes, Palast never says it was Bush who SIGNED the order. That is Jones' own view - but like you say, if anyone did in the first place, it was Clinton.

Of course, Big Saudi Money is no doubt just as important to Democrats as to Republicans.

That it apparently got much worse under Bush can probably give you an indication of just how close the Bush-wing of the ruling class is to Saudi, and particularly Bin Laden, money.

This is often a major problem I have noticed with Alex Jones' work - which is why I don't rely on his work ever, other than his links to interesting articles (rather like I do with WhatReallyHappened.com) and interviews with people.

[werther]

Yes I had read prior of course many examples of how under Bush investigations were stifled. It was just when Jones says that this document which states of persecution for investigating the Bin Ladens(according to Jones)is signed by Bush. If that were the case you could bet the folks at blogger would chalk that up with building 7 and the pentagon.

So since I never really heard it anywhere else before I looked into it.

Only a few minutes prior that statement in Road to Tyranny he says that Bin Laden was treated in a hospital in Dubia and met with CIA and discussed the plans for 9-11. Now, though there may be reports for Bin Laden being in said hospital and a CIA agent was there it is a major jump to blindly conclude that they were discussing 9-11.
Again there is no reason for such blatant, disgusting speculation.

[werther]

I was too quick to slight blogger in my last response..... actually if this document did exist I would as well tout it as damn good proof of complicity.

[AuGmENTor]

Thanks for the reply. I have seen that image elsewhere too and still my questions cannot be answered. In Alex Jones' movie road to tryanny he says:
" the biggest smoking gun of them all....President George W. Bush signed presidentail decision directive W199I telling FBI agents that if they tried to stop Al Qaida they would be arrested under National Security implications."


Nowhere can I find anything stating that he signed this document. According to Palask this document describes an investigation into WAMY starting in 96 and ending sept. 11 2001. Which would mean Clinton signed it if anybody.

I am going to have to call bullshit on Jones' part. This really bothers me. How much more of his work is riddled with falsisms? There is no need for this.

As truthers we have a bias towards anything that promotes our stance. Which makes us susceptable to such lies and selective judgements which we then could start recalling them as truths. I think it is safe to also say that a majority of us despise Bush. With that I can only imagine Jones' reason for saying Bush signed this was to appease his viewers. This can be damaging. Unless I am proven wrong here, and I very well could be, from now on anything Jones says will have to be referenced.

Why not email hime directly. Or go through his myspace account?

[werther]

because I am a fucking idiot and never thought of that. The email anyway....I don't know a damn thing about myspace and do not intend to learn.

[AuGmENTor]

I don't know a damn thing about myspace and do not intend to learn.

I fell ya on that one. I HAD a myspace, tha I used strictly to promote 911 awareness. Then Alex Jones blew it UP to the nth power. It's definitely worth a gander anyway.

[werther]

I have no real quarrels with myspace, I just know I would never update the damn thing. I don't have that much to say.