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    LostInFreeThought Guest

    Couple of questions

    If this is in the wrong section, my apologies to the staff.

    Hi all. Had some diffucluty joining but glad to be here. I've been interested in the "alternative" theories concerning 9/11 for about 2 years now but have not until recently done real research on it. A few days ago I got around to watching the documentary 911: Ripple Effect. Could somebody clear up a few things for me?

    1)Most believe Flight 175 was switched with a different plane. So what became of the passengers? I can't recall if this was discussed in the documentary, but I do remember hearing some believe that Flight 93 never crashed, so what happened to Todd Beamer and the other passengers there?

    2)Did Bin Laden and his people have ANYTHING to do with the attacks or no?

    3)In Fahrenheit 9/11, it's said many family members of the victims of the attacks don't accept the official 9/11 report. While I don't doubt that, does anybody have any unbiased sources to back up that claim?

    4)Do you have advice on how to show closed minded people the light so to speak? Such as people who are shown documentaries like Ripple Effect and dismiss the whole thing as "actors" or "propaganda"?

    5)Finally, I know very little about what actually happened compared to the more active members here. As I've said, I've just started researching the contradictions from the official 9/11 report. I'll most likely be a lurker for a while since I don't have much of an educated opinion about 9/11. But I'd like to know, what IS the point of anybody protesting in front of the White House for "truth"? What IS the point of trying to get the government to be honest about ANYTHING? Remember, they're the GOVERNMENT, if they don't want to be honest, they don't have to. Are there any members that actually believe that one day they'll admit they had something to do with 9/11, let alone any other cover-up?

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    1) PLanes may have been switched, its very hard to know for sure. Considering most of the FAA records from the day were destroyed. Which would include radar tracking of those flights and other in the area.

    2) Bin Laden was the Patsy, he was a wilful participant in 9/11. To what degree, we a better investigation needs to happen. Currently the FBI can't link him to 9/11 at all.

    3) Goldie can answer this one best. He has contact with several family members and first responders.

    4) I wouldn't worry too much about those you cant reach. You know the saying "You can lead a horse to water"...It's like when Morpheus says to Neo "I can only show you the door, you are the one that has to walk through it". Many even when shown first hand will utterly deny the truth. They have led their whole lives believing certain things are true. They base their lives on the supossed truths, and in many cases would rather believe the lie because the truth is too hard for them to bare.

    5) Well, I suppose it is about exposure. Those who know the truth, need to expose it. We also need to let those people know, that we know what is "really" going on in the world. Ultimately it is up to us to be accountable for exposing the truth. If we stand by idly and allow the assholes to take over the world, then we deserve everything that comes to us.

    For me, activism isn't about getting the truth out. For me its primarily two things.

    1. Practice what you preach...I tell people I meet everyday to get out and get active, because thats the easiest "legal" recourse we have currently.

    2. I don't want to be sitting in some FEMA camp 5 years from now telling people "I told you so" and when asked what I did to stop it all from happening I reply "I posted on the internet about 9/11"

    I finally came to the point at which I no longer care who I offend. I have pissed off several people in my family because of what I talk about. Its actually all I talk about, to pretty much everyone. I am relentless in that way, but I refuse to stand by idly.

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    Well, I am a first responder, and I don't accept the official story at all. I prolly don't count as my status was strictly voluntary.

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    You count dude.
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    I'll answer these in a minute.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gold9472
    You count dude.
    tanx

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    Quote Originally Posted by LostInFreeThought
    If this is in the wrong section, my apologies to the staff.

    Hi all. Had some diffucluty joining but glad to be here. I've been interested in the "alternative" theories concerning 9/11 for about 2 years now but have not until recently done real research on it. A few days ago I got around to watching the documentary 911: Ripple Effect. Could somebody clear up a few things for me?

    1)Most believe Flight 175 was switched with a different plane. So what became of the passengers? I can't recall if this was discussed in the documentary, but I do remember hearing some believe that Flight 93 never crashed, so what happened to Todd Beamer and the other passengers there?

    The truth is, most do not believe that. There is information that exists that says the real planes were used. There is some information that exists that says otherwise. Although I don't know for certain, I find it best not to speculate on things I can't verify.

    2)Did Bin Laden and his people have ANYTHING to do with the attacks or no?

    The truth is, I don't know. There is information that exists that suggests, at the very least, he was used as a pawn. There is also information that exists that says in the months prior to 9/11, he was going from mosque to mosque telling people about the upcoming attacks. I just don't know.

    3)In Fahrenheit 9/11, it's said many family members of the victims of the attacks don't accept the official 9/11 report. While I don't doubt that, does anybody have any unbiased sources to back up that claim?

    To my knowledge, F911 doesn't mention the families at all? I could be mistaken, but I don't remember it. As far as the families go... Bill Doyle, who represents a lot of families, says that about 50% of the families that he represents think as we do. The families were the ones that originally fought for the creation of the 9/11 Commission. They joined together to form the 9/11 Family Steering Committee. If not for them, the 9/11 Commission would never have been. Some people say that might have been a good thing, but what 9/11 Family Member Lorie Van Auken told me is, at least we now know the Government's side of things. The families that fought for the creation of the Commission, as well as others, have been busy as of late. I suggest you read this.

    4)Do you have advice on how to show closed minded people the light so to speak? Such as people who are shown documentaries like Ripple Effect and dismiss the whole thing as "actors" or "propaganda"?

    With regard to 9/11 Ripple Effect, admittedly, I haven't seen it. I do know, however, that the person that made it also has made some questionable things in the past. If I were given a choice, I would probably not promote that film.

    5)Finally, I know very little about what actually happened compared to the more active members here. As I've said, I've just started researching the contradictions from the official 9/11 report. I'll most likely be a lurker for a while since I don't have much of an educated opinion about 9/11. But I'd like to know, what IS the point of anybody protesting in front of the White House for "truth"? What IS the point of trying to get the government to be honest about ANYTHING? Remember, they're the GOVERNMENT, if they don't want to be honest, they don't have to. Are there any members that actually believe that one day they'll admit they had something to do with 9/11, let alone any other cover-up?
    That's the great thing about hope. It drives us, and gives us the strength to fight the very real situation you described. All I know is, allowing, or orchestrating the attacks of 9/11 is wrong. Period. They need to be held accountable if we want the direction of this country and the world set on a good path.
    No One Knows Everything. Only Together May We Find The Truth JG


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    If anybody has an hour and a half of free time and wishes to see the film-
    http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...06080717077488

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    Sorry that I don't have answers in the conventional sense. It's easier for me to prove a lie than it is to provide an answer to a question.
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    Example...

    The threat of terrorists hijacking commercial airliners within the United States—and using them as guided missiles—was not recognized by NORAD before 9/11.

    p17 - 9/11 Report

    http://www.usatoday.com/news/washing...18-norad_x.htm

    In the two years before the Sept. 11 attacks, the North American Aerospace Defense Command conducted exercises simulating what the White House says was unimaginable at the time: hijacked airliners used as weapons to crash into targets and cause mass casualties.

    One of the imagined targets was the World Trade Center. In another exercise, jets performed a mock shootdown over the Atlantic Ocean of a jet supposedly laden with chemical poisons headed toward a target in the United States. In a third scenario, the target was the Pentagon — but that drill was not run after Defense officials said it was unrealistic, NORAD and Defense officials say.

    It's amazing the things you forget... That USA Today story came out in April 2004. The 9/11 Report was released in July 2004. This is a BLATANT lie from the 9/11 Commission.
    No One Knows Everything. Only Together May We Find The Truth JG


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