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  1. #11
    Partridge Guest
    Just came across this...

    Who will succeed al-Zarqawi unclear

    Now that Abu Musab al-Zarqawi is dead, there seems little certainty who will succeed the brutal killer who was the most wanted terrorist in Iraq. An American general thinks it will be Egyptian-born, Afghanistan-trained Abu al-Masri, whose name is an obvious alias, meaning "father of the Egyptian."

    Maj. Gen. William Caldwell, the chief U.S. military spokesman in Iraq, said Thursday that al-Masri was the "most logical" successor but offered no details on why.

    Caldwell said al-Masri is thought to have come to Iraq in 2002 after training in Afghanistan with the mission of creating an al-Qaida cell in Baghdad. Al-Masri is believed to be an expert at constructing roadside bombs, the leading cause of U.S. military casualties in Iraq.

    But there are other possibilities.

    For example, U.S. and Iraqi officials announced that al-Zarqawi's spiritual adviser, Abu Abdul-Rahman al-Iraqi, was among others killed with the Jordanian-born terror mastermind when U.S. warplanes bombed a house northeast of Baghdad on Wednesday evening.

    But an Internet statement that al-Qaida posted Thursday confirming al-Zarqawi's death was signed by a man with the same name, casting doubt on the supposition that al-Iraqi had been killed.

    "My perception is that if they released a statement in the name of Abu Abdul-Rahman al-Iraqi, then he is still around. And, as the deputy head of al-Qaida in Iraq, he presumably is the new leader," said Evan Kohlmann, a New York-based terror consultant and founder of, he added, "It is possible that two guys have the same name." He said an al-Qaida member known as Abu Abdul-Rahman al-Iraqi previously was identified as an al-Qaida military leader, not a spiritual leader.

    Caldwell said the U.S. military had discussed the succession question with the Iraqi government even before al-Zarqawi was killed.

    Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki said Thursday that it made no real difference. "Whenever there is a new Zarqawi, we will kill him," al-Maliki told reporters.

    It may not be that easy. It took the U.S. and Iraqi military three years to get al-Zarqawi and there is little likelihood al-Qaida in Iraq will crumble now that its leader is gone.

    "The death of our leaders is life for us," said the Web statement from al-Qaida in Iraq, which is notorious for Iraq's bloodiest terror bombings and beheadings. "It will only increase our persistence in continuing the holy war so that the word of God will be supreme."

    Caldwell agreed the group might respond to al-Zarqawi's death by staging some big attacks to assert its "viability" as a durable organization.

    Some experts on Islamic extremism said they suspected there might not be a ready successor for al-Zarqawi, whose organization has been reeling from the death or capture of dozens of middle and top operatives in recent months.

    But while al-Zarqawi's death may be a blow to the group's morale, it will not stop the group from producing a successor, said Italian researcher Andrea Nativi in Rome.

    "No one is deluded in thinking that in the long-term he will not be replaced. Even if they kill Osama bin Laden, it doesn't mean al-Qaida will stop existing," Nativi said.

    Rime Allaf of London's Chatham House, an international affairs think tank, said a successor was anyone's guess. But, she said, it would happen sooner rather than later.

    "Recent statements had suggested some al-Qaida figures were unhappy with the brutality of al-Zarqawi's attacks and his targeting of civilians," she said. "It could be that his replacement, or replacements, will adopt a very different style."

    Magnus Ranstorp, research director at the Swedish National Defense College in Stockholm, had a similar view.

    "The big question is not who succeeds al-Zarqawi, but whether they will continue to encourage Sunni against Shia violence, or whether they change tactics," Ranstorp said.

    "Al-Zarqawi had lost credibility within the insurgency before his death because of the tactics he was using and because he inflated his own importance."

  2. #12
    Partridge Guest
    I love that last line! It's not like the Western media inflated his role or anything. Not at all!

  3. #13
    Join Date
    Jan 2005

    June 8, 2006 -- Jordanian Al Qaeda leader Abu Musab al Zarqawi, born Fadel Nazzal al-Khalayleh, was killed in a U.S. air strike last night at 6:15 pm (Iraq time) in an Al Qaeda safe house north of Baghdad. Killed with Zarqawi were his "spiritual adviser" Sheikh Abdul Rahman, and an unidentified woman and child. Eight to ten other Zarqawi lieutenants were also reported to have been killed in the attack. A U.S. military spokesman in Baghdad this morning stated at a news conference that Zarqawi was identified based on fingerprints, facial recognition, known scars, and tattoos. The attack on Zarqawi was apparently carried out in close coordination with Jordan's General Intelligence Department, which had received a tip on Zarqawi's location from its agents operating inside Iraq.

    The U.S. military spokesman's revelation that Zarqawi's body was partly identified from tattoos is noteworthy. Abu Abdel-Rahman al-Iraqi, described as the Deputy Emir of Al Qaeda in Iraq on an Al Qaeda web site, stated that Zarqawi was a martyred mujahed sheikh. Zarqawi was a lieutenant of strict Wahhabi Islam adherent Osama Bin Laden. However, why Zarqawi would have had tattoos is baffling. Islam specifically forbids tattoos. According to Islamic texts, the Prophet Mohammed forbade tattooing:

    Narrated Abu Huraira: "Allah's Apostle said, 'The evil eye is a fact,' and he forbade tattooing. (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Dress, Volume 7, Book 72, Number 827)"

    Narrated 'Aun bin Abu Juhaifa: "My father bought a slave who practiced the profession of cupping. (My father broke the slave's instruments of cupping). I asked my father why he had done so. He replied, 'The Prophet forbade the acceptance of the price of a dog or blood, and also forbade the profession of tattooing, getting tattooed and receiving or giving Riba, (usury), and cursed the picture-makers.' (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Sales and Trade, Volume 3, Book 34, Number 299)"

    Narrated 'Abdullah: "Allah has cursed those women who practice tattooing and those who get themselves tattooed, and those who remove their face hairs, and those who create a space between their teeth artificially to look beautiful [hmmm.., ed. note], and such women as change the features created by Allah. Why then should I not curse those whom the Prophet has cursed? And that is in Allah's Book. i.e. His Saying: 'And what the Apostle gives you take it and what he forbids you abstain (from it).' (59.7) (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Dress, Volume 7, Book 72, Number 815)"

    The Pentagon has been caught trying to exaggerate the importance of Zarqawi in propaganda disseminated in Iraq and the United States. Now, a Pentagon spokesman is claiming that a strict adherent of Islam and a jihadist was identified through examination of his tattoos. It has previously been reported that Zarqawi once removed a single tattoo from his forearm with hydrochloric acid. Other reports said that Zarqawi was once nicknamed the "green man" because he had as many tattoos as a carnival worker. The U.S. military spokesman in Baghdad clearly stated the Zarqawi body found after the U.S. air strike had been identified from "tattoos." The tattoos are as baffling as the gold ring worn by someone said to be Zarqawi in the video of the gruesome beheading of Nick Berg. The Quran forbids Muslim men from wearing jewelry, specifically gold and silver. Also, the gold ring was on "Zarqawi's" left hand, the unclean hand used for going to the toilet. Also, the U.S. military made no mention of Zarqawi's prosthesis device. It has been reported that Zarqawi lost his leg during a battle in Afghanistan.

    Which one of these Zarqawis had tattoos and a prosthesis? Bottom is Zarqawi's body after two 500 lb. bombs were dropped on the safe house-- photo was neatly matted and framed with gold leaf (obviously done by a 24-hour Baghdad version of Kinko's).
    No One Knows Everything. Only Together May We Find The Truth JG

  4. #14
    Cloak & Swagger Guest
    This comes 11 days before the government goes "underground".
    June 19th...tick tock tick tock tick tock...
    I expect to see a few more significant developments in the coming days.

  5. #15
    PhilosophyGenius Guest
    I was just thinking the same thing, which is, how the hell is Zarqawi still in one piece after 2 bunker busters. Oh well, I bet in a day or two Alex Jones would have had the whole thing debunked by then? haha

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