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    borepstein Guest

    9/11 truth and copyright issues

    Rumor has it that some people doing research into what happened on 9/11 have received "cease and desist" letters from various media outlets demanding that they stop copying, quoting or referencing that outlet's publications in their work. Here is a piece of informal guidance as to what 9/11 truth seekers ought to do in case they receive such a letter.

    As a side note, I would like to register my complete incomprehension of the actions of those media outlets. If anything, one would think they should be grateful to those who reference them (copying texts may be a different matter, then again if a hyperlink is provided, I don't see much of an issue with that). Be that as it may, those incidents, if true, have more of an appearance of an organized campaign to slow down the 9/11 truth movement than actions motivated by concerns about proper crediting or profits.

    For your convenience, the advice publication referenced above is republished below in its entirety.



    Cease and Desist


    Many 9/11 truth webmasters have been receiving "cease and desist" letters from newspapers such as the New York Times, the Times of London, and other mainstream media outlets. The letters state that the 9/11 website is infringing on the company's copyright by duplicating or caching articles without permission.

    This post will provide a very brief outline of how you might be able to stay out of hot water if you receive such a letter. When I have time, I'll flesh this blog out, so check back again in about a week.

    Should you Ignore the Letter?

    Copyright infringement is a pretty serious matter. There are stiff penalties. And copyright infringement is a "strict liability" offense, so that even if you innocently and unknowingly infringe someone's copyright, you can still be found guilty.

    So its not smart to stick your head in the sand and hope they go away.

    So What CanYou Do?

    First, you could state that your use of the material is "fair use". In a copyright infringement case, the judge will analyze your claim to fair use of the copyrighted material using the following 4 factors:

    (1) The purposes and character of the use, including whether the use is primarily commercial in nature;

    (2) The nature of the copyrighted work being borrowed from;

    (3) The amount and importance of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole; and

    (4) The effect on the potential market or value of the copyrighted work.

    You can argue that, under (1), you are solely using the article for educational and political purposes. (Even if you are making money from your website, you can still try to argue that you are using the article for non-commercial purposes, in that you are solely raising money so that you can continue your educational and political activities).

    If you are only using part of the article, then you can argue that under (3), you have only duplicated the part of the article which contains important information, and which does not constitute the most commerically important portion of the copyrighted work.

    And you can argue that, under (4), you are not diminishing the potential market or value of the copyrighted work. If you also link to the article, you should mention that, and state that the company that wrote you the letter can still make money when people go to the link to look at the original (that is, they either buy access to the article or patronize the advertisers of tha company's website).

    Images

    If you are using videos or photos of events which occurred on or around 9/11, you can argue that your use of such images is also protected under the First Amendment to the United States Constitution. Specifically, in addition to claiming fair use of the copyrighted material, you can argue that your reproduction is protected under the "Zapruder line of cases", since:

    (1) The 9/11 images are of historical significance;

    (2) They show facts which cannot be conveyed effectively in any other manner, and

    (3) Therefore the Constitution trumps copyright law.

    See this Google search for more information. This is an unsettled area of law, but it is worth making the argument, as I have seen it scare off companies which are threatening to sue.

    You should be nice to the company and -- while vigorously asserting your First Amendment rights and fair use defense -- be respectful and try to negotiate a resolution.

    You can also try to get free or low-cost legal help from a group such as Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF emails out requests for free legal help to its list of copyright attorneys).

    THIS MESSAGE IS NOT INTENDED TO, AND DOES NOT, CONSTITUTE OR CONVEY LEGAL ADVICE, AND THE AUTHOR DOES NOT KNOW THE SPECIFICS OF YOUR PARTICULAR SITUATION AND IS NOT ACTING AS YOUR ATTORNEY OR REPRESENTATIVE IN ANY CAPACITY WHATSOEVER. THE INFORMATION CONTAINED HEREIN IS FOR GENERAL INFORMATIONAL PURPOSES ONLY.

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    PhilosophyGenius Guest
    That's the bullshit of all bullshit.

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    borepstein Guest
    Quote Originally Posted by PhilosophyGenius
    That's the bullshit of all bullshit.
    The mother of all bullshits, perhaps?

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    beltman713 Guest
    If you don't use the material word-for-word, and you provide a link to the sorce material, would that not be ok?

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    PhilosophyGenius Guest
    Quote Originally Posted by borepstein
    The mother of all bullshits, perhaps?
    I stole that phrase from the Indian guy from The 40 Year Old Virgin.

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    borepstein Guest
    Quote Originally Posted by beltman713
    If you don't use the material word-for-word, and you provide a link to the sorce material, would that not be ok?
    I would think so, but I am not a legal expert.

    Whenever yopu provide a link, that is an advertisement of the source. Or so I would think.

    But this here most likely ain't business, it's politics. What bothers them is not being quoted or having their articles copied - it is who does the quoting and the copying that isthe problem. At least such is my impression.

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    AuGmENTor Guest
    Or is it that in any way possible, they will try to stop the truth from getting out? They already don't give the topic (the truth movement) any airtime at all. Or, if they do, they make it out to be a rouge band of foil wrapping lunatics.

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    borepstein Guest
    Quote Originally Posted by AuGmENTor
    Or is it that in any way possible, they will try to stop the truth from getting out? They already don't give the topic (the truth movement) any airtime at all. Or, if they do, they make it out to be a rouge band of foil wrapping lunatics.
    The establishment appears to be trying, and trying hard. I doubt they will outrigth succeed; they may be able to stall the process, to delay the inevitable. Quite possibly, that is all they really need - delay it another 5 years, and then the issue might not be so relevant.

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