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Thread: The 9/11 Truth Movement Is Not Anti-Semitic And Neither Is Ray McGovern

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    if you wanna compare anti-semitism with opposition to the NEW WORLD ORDER, then sure, 9/11 truth movement is anti-semitic.

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    No. The 9/11 Truth Movement is not anti-semitic. You can't compare apples to oranges. If you oppose the "New World Order", then you oppose an oppressive rule... not a religion.
    No One Knows Everything. Only Together May We Find The Truth JG


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    Quote Originally Posted by Gold9472
    No. The 9/11 Truth Movement is not anti-semitic. You can't compare apples to oranges. If you oppose the "New World Order", then you oppose an oppressive rule... not a religion.
    ya i know.

    i just wanted to spell it out for people who didn't realize what they were actually saying whenever they kept using the 'anti-semite' label. it does more harm than good.

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    Recently, there have been many accusations against me for being some kind of "Zionist Mole for Larry Silverstein," or someone that prohibits others from looking at information regarding Israel and 9/11. That I like to promote Pakistan's relationship to 9/11 more to take the focus off of Israel. Hopefully, this will put that to rest.

    First of all, in case you hadn't guessed, I am Jewish. I was born Jewish. I attended Hebrew School. I had a Bar Mitzvah. I attend Passover dinners every year, and occasionally, when I can afford it, I buy presents for family members on Hanukah.

    I am not a religious person. Some of you know that I have a hard time believing in God. That being said, I respect the religion of my family. I don't follow any of the "rules," but I do respect it. Reason being, other than the fact that my father thinks it's important, and relationships are about "give and take," my Grandfather loved it. He loved sitting at the head of the table during Passover dinner, and being the one to direct the service. He loved being the one to hide the "Afikomen" for the kids to find. He just loved it. Therefore, if the man I respected most in life loved something that much, I think it's important for me to respect that which he loved.

    However, just because I am Jewish, does not mean I am automatically a "Zionist" or a "mole." It's amazing the narratives people can come up with just by using a person's religion. "Jon is jewish, therefore, he is a zionist mole." The same mentality that produced, "He is a Muslim, therefore, he is a terrorist."

    Now, do I prohibit others from looking at information regarding Israel and 9/11? If so, then why would I have posted these?

    Israel: By Paul Thompson
    Transcribed By Me
    Posted: one, two, three, four, five, six times, and once in the article below.


    Cheering Movers and Art Student Spies: Was Israel Tracking the Hijackers Before the 9/11 Attacks?
    Atta's Father Claims Recent Videos Fake, U.S. And Israel Orchestrated 9/11
    Following Zakheim And Pentagon Trillions To Israel And 9/11
    Israeli Links To 9/11?
    Who Wants To Gag Sibel Edmonds, And Why? (With Answers) (I am one of the biggest Sibel supporters in the movement)
    Pro-Israel Lobby In U.S. Under Attack


    You get the idea. Also, if you have the chance, stop by my site, and do a search for the word, "Israel" in my "New News" section. You're sure to find well over 1000 articles, and a lot of them NOT favorable of Israel.

    I do not think it has been proven beyond the shadow of doubt that Israel was involved in the 9/11 attacks. Is there information that suggests they were? Yep. Is it proven? Nope. The same can be said about Pakistan. And the United States for that matter. Has it been proven that Larry Silverstein was involved? Nope. Is there information that suggests he was? Possibly. Is it proven? Nope. Therefore, I don't think it's wise to go around, and promote, as fact, that Larry Silverstein is a murderer.

    Now, do I promote Pakistan more than Israel? I sure do. Reason being, when's the last time any new information about Israel's role in 9/11 came out? Counterpunch wrote an article recently about the "Cheering Movers," but there wasn't any new information in it. Just a rehash of already available info.

    Has any new information about Pakistan's alleged role come out?

    On July 7th, 2006, 9/11 family member Bill Doyle, on the Alex Jones Show, said a source told him part of the redacted 28 pages of the Joint Congressional Inquiry talked about the U.S. funneling money into Pakistan.

    On September 13th, 2006, President Pervez Musharraf said the West (us), was responsible for "breeding terrorism in his country."

    On September 27th, 2006, it was reported that President Pervez Musharraf wrote in a book that "It is believed in some quarters that while Omar Sheikh was at the LSE he was recruited by the British intelligence agency MI6. It is said that MI6 persuaded him to take an active part in demonstrations against Serbian aggression in Bosnia and even sent him to Kosovo to join the jihad. At some point he probably became a rogue or double agent."

    On September 28th, 2006, a leaked document accused "Pakistan's intelligence agency (The Pakistani ISI) of indirectly supporting terrorist groups including al-Qaida."

    On October 10th, 2006, the "Jersey Girls" released a petition that called for the declassification of those 28 pages in the Joint Congressional Inquiry.

    In Mariane Pearl's book, "A Mighty Heart", she writes that, "I read that the U.S. embassy in Islamabad asked the Pakistani government to hand over Omar on January 21l, two days before Danny was kidnapped. The reason given for the U.S. request was that the 1994 kidnapping included an American citizen. But it seems clear to me that the U.S. authorities wanted to follow up on a much more disturbing trail. I read a news report from October that claimed the FBI had found "credible links" between Omar Saeed Sheikh and then director of the ISI Lieutenant General Mahmood Ahmed. It was alleged that it was Ahmed who instructed Omar to wire the $100,000 to Mohammad Atta."

    On March 9th, 2007, it was reported that Cheney went to Pakistan with deputy director of the CIA, Stephen Kappes. "Mr Kappes also met members of Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence agency (ISI) and operatives from the CIA's Islamabad station to discuss co-ordinating efforts to track bin Laden."

    On April 3rd, 2007, it was reported that "A Pakistani tribal militant group responsible for a series of deadly guerrilla raids inside Iran has been secretly encouraged and advised by American officials since 2005." [...] "Pakistani government sources say the secret campaign against Iran by Jundullah was on the agenda when Vice President Dick Cheney met with Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf in February."

    On June 17th, 2007, it was reported that "Pakistan policy is essentially being run from Cheney's office."

    On June 25th, 2007, it was reported "that one Umar Sheikh's name has also figured in the interrogation of some key 9/11 accused arrested by American security agencies in the recent past. US agencies are learnt to have informed their Indian counterparts that Mohd Atta - who planned and the executed the 9/11 bombings - was funded by one Umar Sheikh who gave him $ 1 lakh sometime before the WTC attacks."

    Does this prove Pakistan's involvement in 9/11? Nope. It sure is interesting though isn't it?

    If new information pertaining to Israel and 9/11 were to come out, you can BET YOUR ASS that I would post it. This isn't a contest.

    The following article was written in defense of Ray McGovern, a man I admire greatly. Enjoy. - Jon
    No One Knows Everything. Only Together May We Find The Truth JG


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