when evangelizing, should we give them the whole enchalada or measure our words?

I agree with Neimad9's post. Though I tend to believe in some form of 'shadow government' I do not think that stringing this into a discussion will be beneficial. If anything it detracts and strays the audience from the main arguement. Honestly, again I do believe that a shadow government exists but for some reason everytime I see Illuminati posted on a 9-11 related board my eyes roll.

Well, I guess they can discuss it any old way they want to in here, or out there for that matter. I guess this was just a review of how WE go about it. I don't imagine that anyone going on about the illuminati has convinced alot of people that 911 was an inside job.

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I think the biggest problem with the Illuminati is the word "Illuminati". Saying "Illuminati" gives the sense that it's something huge and something mystical. But if you say 'global elite' and that guy like Bush are second tier guys brought in to do the work, well then that's more of a legitimate converstation right there.

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we might as well stop using the word conspiracy... because it harks back to 'conspiracy theory'. let's stop being pussies and call a spade a spade. i've become desensitized to the word in any case.

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As for why this admin could pull of 9/11 but not plant WMD's; my guess is that they really thought they were there even though they built a bs case to sell to the American people, or, they knew there was only so much they could get away with (maybe both). I mean they can't stage everything.

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how about this explanation.

the TRUE, overarching agenda is creating world government, and we all know that world war is what is needed to precipitate that. Moreover, the US government has been hijacked and will be taken down from within, and it has been decided that they will be one of the major instigators for this coming war. Just like how the CIA has set up the Wahabbi sect of militant Islam, i have no doubt the NWO has planted the NEO-CONS for their own purpose as well.

will explain more later, off to class....

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we might as well stop using the word conspiracy... because it harks back to 'conspiracy theory'. let's stop being pussies and call a spade a spade. i've become desensitized to the word in any case.

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I try to avoid it as well, although techincally it is a conspiracy, even the official story is a conspiracy as well

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I try to avoid it as well, although techincally it is a conspiracy, even the official story is a conspiracy as well

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you're buying into their political correctness. go you

we have to remember that history is cyclical, mostly because it is controlled by the illuminati.

if they taught students REAL history, we'd know how unoriginal they are.

Not only is 9/11 EXACTLY like the Reichstag, so is the INTENTIONAL destruction of the American economy similar to what Germany went through, while at the same building up the arms industry.

this is neccessary for when the fecal matter hits the fan and the US becomes like a wounded tiger, where the only jobs left are supporting the war machine. this is how you'll get the engine for global imperialism that Brzinski wanted.

but in the last act, America is destroyed just like nazi germany.

and out of the ashes the new world government arises.

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The illuminati really is quite extreame though. There is so little reason and evidence for it other than its a cool story. Attaching 9/11 to it reduces your story of 9/11 since the illuminari, even to most 9/11 truthers, is seen as false.

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there's actually lots of evidence. please do your own research rather than listening to the dismissive talking heads.

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you're buying into their political correctness. go you

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Not political correctness. If it was the terrorists then the terrorists commited a conspiracy, if it was the government then it was the government commiting a conspiracy. Its simly the defination of the word. Because of the negitive feeling attached to it i avoid using it.

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Not political correctness. If it was the terrorists then the terrorists commited a conspiracy, if it was the government then it was the government commiting a conspiracy. Its simly the defination of the word. Because of the negitive feeling attached to it i avoid using it.

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You avoid using it for what exactly? It's not like you're out there trying to convince people 911 was an inside job. I don't mean to be contrite. But by your own admission you state that you are only in this to satisfy your own questions. That is fine. But alot of the people who come through here really want to knw what happened, and what all the hoopla is about. The numbers of people who do not accept what we have been told are growing every day.
It does seem hard to believe that our own government would be capable of the cold blooded murder of 3000 people. Doesn't make it any less possible, when you consider Waco texas (there are some really good documentaries about that) as well as several other events. Have you researched anything other than these two threads? Seen Terrorstorm yet? D you know the circumstances surrounding the first bombing of the WTC yet? There is sooo much to know before you form any opinions about this. This is LIFE we are talking about here. I didn't want this to be the truth. But you can't unsee it.

I dont use it so I dont offend anybody by using a term which is usually used to dismiss thoerys.