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Jon Gold On The North Virginia Patriots Show - 11/3/2008

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I like your approach of saying that the U.S. government should be considered "a suspect" rather than insisting that "9/11 was an inside job."

Just a couple of points of disagreement:

1) It's inaccurate to say, as many people do, that "there was no investigation." There was indeed an investigation by the FBI, although this investigation had its oddities, as noted in the section on on the FBI 9/11 Investigation on the Complete 911 Timeline on the History Commons site. Also the 2002 Joint Inquiry Report (which you mentioned) was an investigation into intelligence "failures." (See also 9/11 Congressional Inquiry on the History Commons site.) However, the 9/11 Commission was the only attempt at a well-rounded look at what all went wrong on the government's end, besides just "intelligence failures."

2) It doesn't seem to me that "protection of Israel" would have been a major part of the motive. Neither Afghanistan nor Iraq posed a significant threat to Israel. A false flag attack aimed at protecting Israel would more likely have had an appearance of involvement by Palestinians, or possibly Syrians, Lebanese, or Iranians.

The worst that can be said about Israel, as far as 9/11 is concerned, is that there's some evidence of possible relevant Israeli spying, and hence that Israel perhaps didn't give the U.S. government as specific a warning as perhaps it could have. If indeed that's true, then perhaps Israel's motive might have been simply a desire not to reveal the extent of Israel's spying apparatus on U.S. soil.

I don't believe I said there was no investigation because I've never said that before. In fact one of my favorite points to talk about was how the investigation we did get was a sham... with regards to Israel... America is certainly in a better position to "protect" Israel from Iraq.

I think you're talking about when I said that Bush and Cheney fought against an investigation...

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I think you're talking about when I said that Bush and Cheney fought against an investigation...

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I guess that's what I am referring to. You did say something (probably the above) which came across to me as echoing the common claim that "there was no investigation" (though that might not have been your intent). Bush and Cheney didn't oppose the FBI investigating the alleged hijackers.

As for Iraq, it was already largely disarmed before the war began. Iraq was far less of a threat to Israel than Syria and Iran were.

Diane, I'm not talking about Iraq being a threat to Israel, I'm talking about the geopolitical placement of American forces in that region to defend against what are considered "real" threats. Iran for instance. It is certainly easier for America to "defend" Israel against Iran sitting in a country right next to it. With regards to Bush and Cheney, they did not want 9/11 investigated. And those investigations that did happen, had many problems because of the Bush Administration.

The FBI investigation did have its oddities, as noted in the Complete 9/11 Timeline, but can you point to any evidence of Bush and Cheney outright opposing even the FBI's investigation?

I see your point about the invasion of Iraq making a possible defense of Israel against Iran easier.

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The FBI investigation did have its oddities, as noted in the Complete 9/11 Timeline, but can you point to any evidence of Bush and Cheney outright opposing even the FBI's investigation?

I see your point about the invasion of Iraq making a possible defense of Israel against Iran easier.

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Outright opposing it... hmmm...

October 9, 2001: FBI Agents Told to Curtail 9/11 Investigation and Focus on Preventing Future Attacks
It is reported that the FBI and Justice Department have ordered FBI agents across the US to cut back on their investigation of the September 11 attacks, so as to focus on preventing future, possibly imminent, attacks. According to the New York Times, while law enforcement officials say the investigation of 9/11 is continuing aggressively, “At the same time… efforts to thwart attacks have been given a much higher priority.” Attorney General John Ashcroft and FBI Director Robert Mueller “have ordered agents to drop their investigation of the [9/11] attacks or any other assignment any time they learn of a threat or lead that might suggest a future attack.” Mueller believes his agents have “a broad understanding of the events of September 11,” and now need “to concentrate on intelligence suggesting that other terrorist attacks [are] likely.” The Times quotes an unnamed law enforcement official: “The investigative staff has to be made to understand that we’re not trying to solve a crime now. Our number one goal is prevention.” [New York Times, 10/9/2001] At a news conference the previous day, Ashcroft stated that—following the commencement of the US-led attacks on Afghanistan—he had placed federal law enforcement on the highest level of alert. But he refused to say if he had received any specific new threats of terrorist attacks. [US Department of Justice, 10/8/2001] The New York Times also reports that Ashcroft and Mueller have ordered FBI agents to end their surveillance of some terrorist suspects and immediately take them into custody. However, some agents have been opposed to this order because they believe that “surveillance—if continued for days or weeks—might turn up critical evidence to prove who orchestrated the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon.” [New York Times, 10/9/2001] Justice Department communications director Mindy Tucker responds to the New York Times article, saying it “is not accurate,” and that the investigation into 9/11 “has not been curtailed, it is ongoing.” [United Press International, 10/9/2001]

From my facts article...

Fact #14
The Joint Congressional Inquiry, which both Bush and Cheney tried to “limit the scope” of, released a report with 28 redacted pages. Apparently, those 28 pages talk about “possible Saudi Arabian financial links.” In 2004, Sen. Bob Graham says that the Bush White House is covering up Saudi Arabia’s possible connection to the two hijackers that lived in San Diego. He said the information about them, “present[s] a compelling case that there was Saudi assistance.” He also says that the Bush Administration directed the FBI “to restrain and obfuscate” any investigations into the connection. The landlord of the two hijackers was Abdussatar Shaikh, an FBI asset handled by agent Steven Butler. The FBI originally tried to prevent Butler from testifying before the Congressional Inquiry, but when he finally did, he said that he may have been able to uncover the 9/11 plot if the CIA shared their information on the two hijackers. He said, “it would have made a huge difference.” [...] “We would have immediately opened… investigations. We would have given them the full court press. We would… have done everything-physical surveillance, technical surveillance, and other assets.”

The first is posted because who were the bosses of Ashcroft and Mueller... one might assume that BushCo had something to do with that. The second is pretty obvious.

Thanks very much for the info.

You're welcome. It's not exactly what you're looking for (if it exists), but it is a good example of what I said about "those investigations that did happen, had many problems because of the Bush Administration."