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Gold9472
01-17-2005, 08:06 PM
Discrimination Is A Bad Thing

I watched a movie last night called "Hijacking Catastrophe". The makers of the movie tried to show the events before, and after 9/11. At one point, they made reference to the "Nuremberg Trials". After seeing mention of that, it occurred to me that maybe someday we'll see "The 9/11 Trials".

Think of it. Everyone responsible for the atrocities facing the judgment of their peers in a courtroom. That includes foreign nationals, and local ones.

I started to think of the evidence that would be brought to light, and then I took it a step further. I started to think of every other murder trial I've seen. The first thing the prosecution tries to do, is establish intent or motive. The second thing the prosecution tries to establish is proof of guilt. The defense tries to prove the innocence of their client. The final step is for a jury to decide whether or not the defendant is guilty or innocent. The judge carries out the sentencing or the dismissal.

I started to think of previous trials where the defendant was found to be guilty (or innocent even though guilt was indisputable). Charles Manson killed all of those people because he enjoyed it. O.J. Simpson killed Nicole Simpson and Ron Goldman because of jealousy. Charles Stuart murdered his pregnant wife Carol for insurance money.

When people, myself included, try to establish Government involvement in 9/11, the first response we always hear is, "The President Of The United States would never murder Americans". What puts the President and his Administration above murder? Is it money? Is it power? Is it position? To my understanding, the President Of The United States and his Administration are human. Capable of joy, capable of jealousy, and capable of greed.

During the civil rights movement, Americans fought for equality. They fought for the rights of blacks, and the rights of women. As a result, blacks received "Affirmative Action", and women received the right to vote. We learned that discrimination, in any form, is a bad thing.

The difference between a normal murderer, and a rich one with power is that a rich one with power can kill more people.

Let's not discriminate against murderers.

Gold9472
04-23-2005, 12:51 PM
bump

Simply_sexy
04-23-2005, 12:53 PM
You think too much!

Gold9472
04-23-2005, 01:03 PM
You think too much!

So is my lot in life...

princesskittypoo
04-23-2005, 01:35 PM
murder is murder no matter what position in life. at some point they will be judged.

somebigguy
04-23-2005, 01:46 PM
You're wrong Jon, the defense does not try to prove innocence. The defense simply tries to cast doubt on the evidence. Thats why someone is found not guilty rather than innocent.

Gold9472
04-23-2005, 03:03 PM
You're wrong Jon, the defense does not try to prove innocence. The defense simply tries to cast doubt on the evidence. Thats why someone is found not guilty rather than innocent.

The purpose of the "defense" is to defend their client. Their client being the individual charged for the crime. In order to defend their client, they either have to prove reasonable doubt (what you spoke of), or prove innocence by introducing that which proves innocence (a confession from the real murderer, etc...).

Either way, my point is valid.

Gold9472
04-23-2005, 03:03 PM
Oh, and you're banned for calling me wrong.

somebigguy
04-23-2005, 03:04 PM
Oh, and you're banned for calling me wrong.
Yeah, but you're already banned and therefore cannot ban me.

Gold9472
04-23-2005, 03:05 PM
Yeah, but you're already banned and therefore cannot ban me.

You're banned.

somebigguy
04-23-2005, 03:06 PM
You're banned.
OK Phil.

danceyogamom
04-23-2005, 04:58 PM
The purpose of the "defense" is to defend their client. Their client being the individual charged for the crime. In order to defend their client, they either have to prove reasonable doubt (what you spoke of), or prove innocence by introducing that which proves innocence (a confession from the real murderer, etc...).

Either way, my point is valid.

um ... I thought everyone was innocent until proven guilty.

If I understand our legal system (which I may not), I thought the burdeon of proof was on the prosecution ... meaning they must prove a person to be guilty beyond reasonable doubt.

Gold9472
04-23-2005, 08:46 PM
um ... I thought everyone was innocent until proven guilty.

If I understand our legal system (which I may not), I thought the burdeon of proof was on the prosecution ... meaning they must prove a person to be guilty beyond reasonable doubt.

They are... but a "suspect" is a "suspect" for a reason... because there's a chance they may be "guilty"...

Gold9472
04-23-2005, 08:52 PM
THE POINT OF THIS STORY WAS THAT THE RICH ARE NOT ABOVE THE LAW

Gold9472
04-23-2005, 08:52 PM
Don't make me take out my belt.

somebigguy
04-23-2005, 09:06 PM
Don't make me take out my belt.
Yeah, but won't your pants fall down if you take off your belt?

Gold9472
04-23-2005, 09:06 PM
Yeah, but won't your pants fall down if you take off your belt?

Isn't that what you want?

somebigguy
04-23-2005, 09:07 PM
Isn't that what you want?
well, now that you mention it...

Gold9472
04-23-2005, 09:07 PM
well, now that you mention it...

I have to admit, with that new avatar, you are certainly a lot sexier...

somebigguy
04-23-2005, 09:11 PM
I have to admit, with that new avatar, you are certainly a lot sexier...
I am hip to this new avatar!!!!

Gold9472
04-23-2005, 09:12 PM
I am hip to this new avatar!!!!

Want me to make her tits jiggle?

somebigguy
04-23-2005, 09:15 PM
Want me to make her tits jiggle?
Please, my girls wouldn't let you touch their tits.

(ok).

Gold9472
04-23-2005, 09:26 PM
Please, my girls wouldn't let you touch their tits.

(ok).

Done.

danceyogamom
04-23-2005, 10:54 PM
why do all these converstaions turn to sex?

Gold9472
04-23-2005, 10:56 PM
why do all these converstaions turn to sex?

You mean conversations that consist entirely of men? I wonder why...
:88666:

somebigguy
04-23-2005, 10:57 PM
why do all these converstaions turn to sex?
What else is there?

Gold9472
04-23-2005, 10:58 PM
What else is there?

Duh, it's not rocket science...

danceyogamom
04-23-2005, 11:10 PM
What else is there?

apparently nothing ...

911=inside job
04-25-2005, 10:01 PM
You mean conversations that consist entirely of men? I wonder why...
:88666:
because youre gay????

Gold9472
04-25-2005, 10:07 PM
because youre gay????

Yeah, you want some?

911=inside job
04-26-2005, 01:55 AM
i like conversations that consist entirely of men? I wonder why...
:88666:
you said it... lol

Gold9472
07-19-2005, 06:22 PM
bump

Rese
08-20-2005, 06:40 AM
This investigation of AIPAC is leading to new revelations that the cooperation of Mafia, Zionists and Muslims occurred, along with I think certain individuals with the FBI and CIA, and since top governmental officials were present in 1979 (Iran's revolution stopped cheap oil for Israel) Cheney, Rumsfield, V.P Bush Sr. to devise a military plan to attack the World Trade Center with airplanes and boxcutters (pretense: start a war back them) , but then the threat of Nuclear holocaust prevented it... well it leads to the leadership then who devised that plan, and that leadership is now again in power, and was at the time of 911.

The growth of the CIA in black ops, dealing drugs and oil started back with Cuba, and South America. This became a very big business, that paid off and bribed Congress. They've been steadily consolidating power into the Executive branch since then. Remeber George Bush Senior was in the CIA back then.
Anybody who went along with Rockefeller's banks was in. The Feaderal Revserve banks are ripping off the public.( paying for the cost to print money, then use it to lend back to the gov't at interest and drive up the National debt)

See this latest news from Wayne Madsen:

August 19, 2005 -- Revelations about Satterfield and Able Danger are connected. The recent revelations that the Deputy Chief of Mission at the U.S. Embassy in Baghdad, David Satterfield, is the USGO-2 named in the Franklin-Rosen-Weismann indictment and the coming forward of the Defense Intelligence Agency's (DIA) Lt. Col. Anthony Shaffer and his evidence that the elite Able Danger force had Mohammed Atta and three other hijackers under surveillance in 2000 and was prevented from taking action are related stories. Shaffer was the liaison between DIA and the U.S. Special Operations Able Danger team that was tracking Atta and his cell in the United States and abroad. The Pentagon non-action is being blamed on lawyers for the U.S. Special Operations Command who prevented the FBI from being informed of the Atta team's activities. What is being overlooked is that there was a significant neo-con element within the Clinton administration. It included then-Secretary of Defense William Cohen (a Republican) and the career Pentagon officials like Office of Net Assessment chief Andy Marshall, the indicted Larry Franklin, and Harold Rhode, who all increased their power in the Bush administration. This network was close to Clinton State Department officials Martin Indyk, who lost his security clearance while ambassador to Israel, and Dennis Ross, now of the pro-Likud Washington Institute for Near East Policy (WINEP), the think tank that provided a number of personnel for Douglas Feith's Office of Special Plans, including David Schenker and Michael Makovsky (brother of WINEP Senior Fellow David Makovsky). WINEP's advisory board includes such neocon figures as Richard Perle, James Woolsey, James Roche (of Boeing Air Force tanker contract fraud infamy), Jeane Kirkpatrick, and Max Kampelman. The pre-911 restrictions on Able Danger are evidence that the neo-cons were as damaging to the security interests of the United States under Clinton as they have been under Bush.


The two shill chairmen of the 911 Commission, Thomas Kean and Lee Hamilton, have now said they did not consider the information about pre-911 U.S. military surveillance of Atta and his confederates to be "historically significant." 911 Commission Executive Director Phillip Zelikow swept Lt. Col. Shaffer's testimony under the rug. Zelikow is a close associate of Condoleezza Rice.


And in what represents yet another whistleblower situation from within the US Intelligence Community, Shaffer had his security clearance at DIA suspended in March 2004 and was put on paid administrative leave. It has been recently revealed that Shaffer's Navy colleague, who had also identified the Atta team prior to 911, Captain Scott Phillpott, has been reassigned from DIA to a staff project code named "Deep Blue." Shaffer's story has been treated shabbily by the Washington Post, not because it lacks merit, but because the story is getting closer to the neo-con cell operating within the Pentagon from the days of the Clinton administration.


WMR can also now report that the current and recent past Federal probes of various security leaks, criminal activity, and dirty money -- Abramoff, Kidan, CIA leak, Niger bogus documents, AIPACgate, election fraud, Indian gambling casino money laundering, dirty GOP campaign money, Clinton's "Pardongate" of Marc Rich, oil profiteering, the 911 false flag operations around the nation, and anthrax -- are all related to the deep penetration of the U.S. government by elements controlled by the Russian-Israeli-Ukrainian Mafia (RUIM). Justice, Treasury, and U.S. intelligence agents are well aware of the linked criminal networks which made their first foray into the United States after the late Senator Henry "Scoop" Jackson (and his staff of neo-cons) pressured the Soviet Union to release the very elements who would later form a virtual "Criminal International," involved with weapons of mass destruction proliferation, narcotics, terrorism, the "security" business (including airline security), prostitution, "blood diamond" laundering, weapons smuggling, white slave trade, child pornography and prostitution, and bank fraud. According to Argentine and Brazilian intelligence sources from within the Triple Border region of South America, the RUIM has also managed, within the past three years, of smuggling two nuclear devices into the United States -- one suitcase nuke from a former Soviet Central Asian state and a "dirty" radiological bomb. They arrived in the United States via two drug routes operated by the RUIM: a Mexican border crossing used by the Juarez drug cartel and a Port of Newark, New Jersey shipment point run by the RUIM. There is more to come. Much more.


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ehnyah
08-20-2005, 07:41 AM
If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks...will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered.... The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs. -Thomas Jefferson



History records that the money changers have used every form of abuse, intrigue, deceit, and violent means possible to maintain their control over governments by controlling money and its issuance. -James Madison



If congress has the right under the Constitution to issue paper money, it was given them to use themselves, not to be delegated to individuals or corporations. -Andrew Jackson



The Government should create, issue, and circulate all the currency and credits needed to satisfy the spending power of the Government and the buying power of consumers. By the adoption of these principles, the taxpayers will be saved immense sums of interest. Money will cease to be master and become the servant of humanity. -Abraham Lincoln

Gold9472
10-06-2005, 04:55 PM
bump

Gold9472
02-15-2007, 07:37 PM
bump