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BoneZ
04-09-2006, 02:24 PM
Col. Donn de Grand Pre - former top US Pentagon arms salesman under the Ford and Carter administrations

A group of military and civilian US pilots, under the chairmanship of Colonel Donn de Grand, after deliberating non-stop for 72 hours, has concluded that the flight crews of the four passenger airliners, involved in the September 11th tragedy, had no control over their aircraft.

In a detailed press communiqué the inquiry stated: “The so-called terrorist attack was in fact a superbly executed military operation carried out against the USA, requiring the utmost professional military skill in command, communications and control. It was flawless in timing, in the choice of selected aircraft to be used as guided missiles and in the coordinated delivery of those missiles to their pre-selected targets.”

The report seriously questions whether or not the suspect hijackers, supposedly trained on Cessna light aircraft, could have located a target dead-on 200 miles from take off point. It further throws into doubt their ability to master the intricacies of the instrument flight rules (IFR) in the 45 minutes from take off to the point of impact. Colonel de Grand said that it would be impossible for novices to have taken control of the four aircraft and orchestrated such a terrible act requiring military precision of the highest order.

full story here: http://www.newsgateway.ca/9_11_aircraft_remote_control_.htm

a great article to read. could this be a one of the smoking guns we're looking for?

Gold9472
04-09-2006, 02:30 PM
http://www.prisonplanet.com/022904degrandpre.html

Good Doctor HST
04-09-2006, 02:45 PM
Weren't the cockpit recordings released? I thought I read about that. Or was that just Flight 93?

Gold9472
04-09-2006, 02:46 PM
I may have missed the answer to your question, but this is what I know so far...

http://www.yourbbsucks.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9439

Gold9472
04-09-2006, 02:51 PM
From Flight 93...

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000087&sid=akfJZLVHWr5g&refer=top_world_news

Good Doctor HST
04-09-2006, 02:54 PM
What about the two planes that hit the towers and their black boxes? Were they ever found, or is this more information withheld from the public?

Gold9472
04-09-2006, 02:55 PM
http://www.yourbbsucks.com/forum/showthread.php?t=550

http://www.yourbbsucks.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7181

Good Doctor HST
04-09-2006, 03:00 PM
Ah, now it's coming back to me. Gracias.

Gold9472
04-09-2006, 03:00 PM
And GDHST...

http://www.yourbbsucks.com/forum/showthread.php?t=614
http://www.yourbbsucks.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2037

PhilosophyGenius
04-09-2006, 03:26 PM
Great find Bonez...but one thing I don't get is what about the calls from family memebers inside those planes?

Gold9472
04-09-2006, 03:30 PM
I just want to state for everyone that the idea of Remote Control is a "theory". There is no one who has come forward that was involved or any documentation verifying this. To my knowledge... It makes sense when you think about what they had to do with those planes. It make sense because the wargames were taking place with "Live Fly" drills. I don't know the answer to the phone calls question.

PhilosophyGenius
04-09-2006, 04:24 PM
If one believes that a 757 did NOT hit the Pentagon, then by default one must believes that remote control planes were used during the attacks.

Gold9472
04-09-2006, 06:31 PM
I believe Flight 77 did hit the Pentagon.

AndrewLoweWatson
04-09-2006, 07:34 PM
This story came out in 2002, right? Well. how come it's never been in the mainstream press, nor is it ever referred to by truthers? I am stunned. Smoking gun? It's a bloody arsenal.

Gold9472
04-09-2006, 07:35 PM
This story came out in 2002, right? Well. how come it's never been in the maistream press, nor is it ever referred to by truthers? I am stunned. Smoking gun? It's a bloody arsenal.

Which story are you referring to ALW?

AndrewLoweWatson
04-09-2006, 07:37 PM
You do? What about the confiscated videos?

AndrewLoweWatson
04-09-2006, 07:37 PM
The one at the top of the thread.

Gold9472
04-09-2006, 07:38 PM
You do? What about the confiscated videos?

Huh? You're losing me...

Gold9472
04-09-2006, 07:38 PM
The one at the top of the thread.

BWAHAHAHAH!!! ALW... learn how to click "Quote"... so then I know what you're referring to. ;)

AndrewLoweWatson
04-09-2006, 07:46 PM
Which story are you referring to ALW?

The one at the top of the thread. The de Grand Pre independent inquiry . It dates from 2002.

AndrewLoweWatson
04-09-2006, 07:50 PM
I believe Flight 77 did hit the Pentagon.

Fine. Just fine. So why does the only released photo of the impact show just a flash and no plane, and what possible reason could they have for not releasing those five confiscated video footages if there was nothing to hide?

Gold9472
04-09-2006, 07:52 PM
You do? What about the confiscated videos?

What about them? I'm afraid when they release them, they're going to show Flight 77 hitting the Pentagon. I think that would be a tremendous blow to the movement. It is suspicious about the videos being confiscated within 5 minutes of the crash. There are many suspicious things about the Pentagon, but I think promoting something other than Flight 77 hitting it, as fact, is a dangerous thing to do. Based on witness accounts, people I've talked to, and some things I've read, it was most likely Flight 77.

Gold9472
04-09-2006, 07:54 PM
Fine. Just fine. So why does the only released photo of the impact show just a flash and no plane, and what possible reason could they have for not releasing those five confiscated video footages if there was nothing to hide?

I believe there were 85 videos available at last count. The 5 framed, wrongly dated clip you're referring to shows an explosion. It doesn't show what hit the Pentagon. It doesn't tell us one way or the other what it was...

Gold9472
04-09-2006, 07:56 PM
ALW... just because I might have a different opinion than you about certain things, that doesn't mean we're not on the same team.

AndrewLoweWatson
04-09-2006, 08:02 PM
ALW... just because I might have a different opinion than you about certain things, that doesn't mean we're not on the same team.

I know. Your site proves your credentials as a leader Jon.

So you think they are playing a clever hand of cards and holding that one up their sleeve to play when they need a distraction? Interesting theory.

Gold9472
04-09-2006, 08:03 PM
I know. Your site proves your credentials as a leader Jon.

So you think they are playing a clever hand of cards and holding that one up their sleeve to play when they need a distraction? Interesting theory.

Maybe... now that the Moussaoui trial is almost completed (their reasoning for not releasing the videos), they have no reason to keep them secret. If they released them (fake or not), it will hit the movement hard. That's my opinion.

AndrewLoweWatson
04-09-2006, 08:10 PM
I think it's important to realise that we could all be totally wrong about 911. In which case, we can pack up and go back to our day jobs. It's conceivably possible. All things are possible, theoretically, but some are just very improbable.

Gold9472
04-09-2006, 08:12 PM
I think it's important to realise that we could all be totally wrong about 911. In which case, we can pack up and go back to our day jobs. It's conceivably possible. All things are possible, theoretically, but some are just very improbable.

:) Hmmmmm... being wrong about 9/11. The overall picture... That's a hard one to swallow.

somebigguy
04-09-2006, 08:12 PM
I don't think the videos will be released, they will be "lost", "damaged", or "stolen" somehow before they get a chance. Radar data suggests 77 did not hit the Pentagon, and I don't believe 77 hit the Pentagon, but maybe we are being set up somehow.

Gold9472
04-09-2006, 08:14 PM
I think it's important to realise that we could all be totally wrong about 911. In which case, we can pack up and go back to our day jobs. It's conceivably possible. All things are possible, theoretically, but some are just very improbable.

I've seen TOO MANY things, and have talked to TOO MANY people, and have read TOO MANY things... We're not wrong...

AndrewLoweWatson
04-09-2006, 08:15 PM
Maybe... now that the Moussaoui trial is almost completed (their reasoning for not releasing the videos), they have no reason to keep them secret. If they released them (fake or not), it will hit the movement hard. That's my opinion.

Which is why we should concentrate on the controlled demolition evidence of WCT1, 2 and 7 ... now don't tell me you think that's in doubt too.

Gold9472
04-09-2006, 08:16 PM
Wow... that was hard to get out.

Gold9472
04-09-2006, 08:17 PM
Which is why we should concentrate on the controlled demolition evidence of WCT1, 2 and 7 ... now don't tell me you think that's in doubt too.

No... I think the evidence for controlled demolition, in building 7 AT LEAST is pretty strong. I think we should concentrate on the big picture though... that's my opinion as well...

AndrewLoweWatson
04-09-2006, 08:20 PM
I've seen TOO MANY things, and have talked to TOO MANY people, and have read TOO MANY things... We're not wrong...

Speaking for myself, and I only 'saw the light' end January this year, I had a 'moment of truth ' when I watched the south Tower fall live on TV. I thought , ''that is coming down incredibly fast for such a big building'', and then like everyone else I forgot that I had thought it.

Gold9472
04-09-2006, 08:22 PM
Speaking for myself, and I only 'saw the light' end January this year, I had a 'moment of truth ' when I watched the south Tower fall live on TV. I thought , ''that is coming down incredibly fast for such a big building'', and then like everyone else I forgot that I had thought it.

You've only been around since January of 2006?

AndrewLoweWatson
04-09-2006, 08:24 PM
You've only been around since January of 2006?

Better late than never? My partner is still unconvinced.

Gold9472
04-09-2006, 08:25 PM
Better late than never? My partner is still unconvinced.

There's nothing wrong with it my friend... welcome... just haven't met many "newbies"... that I know of...

Gold9472
04-09-2006, 08:26 PM
Better late than never? My partner is still unconvinced.

Tell your partner to take part in these...

http://www.yourbbsucks.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9271