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beltman713
12-09-2005, 06:33 PM
http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_7779.shtml

Bush on the Constitution: 'It's just a goddamned piece of paper'

By DOUG THOMPSON
Dec 9, 2005, 07:53


Last month, Republican Congressional leaders filed into the Oval Office to meet with President George W. Bush and talk about renewing the controversial USA Patriot Act.

Several provisions of the act, passed in the shell shocked period immediately following the 9/11 terrorist attacks, caused enough anger that liberal groups like the American Civil Liberties Union had joined forces with prominent conservatives like Phyllis Schlafly and Bob Barr to oppose renewal.

GOP leaders told Bush that his hardcore push to renew the more onerous provisions of the act could further alienate conservatives still mad at the President from his botched attempt to nominate White House Counsel Harriet Miers to the Supreme Court.

“I don’t give a goddamn,” Bush retorted. “I’m the President and the Commander-in-Chief. Do it my way.”

“Mr. President,” one aide in the meeting said. “There is a valid case that the provisions in this law undermine the Constitution.”

“Stop throwing the Constitution in my face,” Bush screamed back. “It’s just a goddamned piece of paper!”

I’ve talked to three people present for the meeting that day and they all confirm that the President of the United States called the Constitution “a goddamned piece of paper.”

And, to the Bush Administration, the Constitution of the United States is little more than toilet paper stained from all the shit that this group of power-mad despots have dumped on the freedoms that “goddamned piece of paper” used to guarantee.

Attorney General Alberto Gonzales, while still White House counsel, wrote that the “Constitution is an outdated document.”

Put aside, for a moment, political affiliation or personal beliefs. It doesn’t matter if you are a Democrat, Republican or Independent. It doesn’t matter if you support the invasion or Iraq or not. Despite our differences, the Constitution has stood for two centuries as the defining document of our government, the final source to determine – in the end – if something is legal or right.

Every federal official – including the President – who takes an oath of office swears to “uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States."

Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia says he cringes when someone calls the Constitution a “living document.”

“"Oh, how I hate the phrase we have—a 'living document,’” Scalia says. “We now have a Constitution that means whatever we want it to mean. The Constitution is not a living organism, for Pete's sake.”

As a judge, Scalia says, “I don't have to prove that the Constitution is perfect; I just have to prove that it's better than anything else.”

President Bush has proposed seven amendments to the Constitution over the last five years, including a controversial amendment to define marriage as a “union between a man and woman.” Members of Congress have proposed some 11,000 amendments over the last decade, ranging from repeal of the right to bear arms to a Constitutional ban on abortion.

Scalia says the danger of tinkering with the Constitution comes from a loss of rights.

“We can take away rights just as we can grant new ones,” Scalia warns. “Don't think that it's a one-way street.”

And don’t buy the White House hype that the USA Patriot Act is a necessary tool to fight terrorism. It is a dangerous law that infringes on the rights of every American citizen and, as one brave aide told President Bush, something that undermines the Constitution of the United States.

But why should Bush care? After all, the Constitution is just “a goddamned piece of paper.”

© Copyright 2005 by Capitol Hill Blue

amman254
12-09-2005, 06:39 PM
I don’t give a goddamn,” Bush retorted. “I’m the President and the Commander-in-Chief. Do it my way.”

“Mr. President,” one aide in the meeting said. “There is a valid case that the provisions in this law undermine the Constitution.”


could shrub have actually said this? that would be just unbelievable....i mean, i'm certain that this is what he and many others think...but would they actually have the fucking guts to say it...

oooohhhhh, let's get it on tape.....

Gold9472
12-09-2005, 06:40 PM
This is the same guy who wrote the story about the GOP Memo calling for an attack.

amman254
12-09-2005, 07:02 PM
sorry gold...you know i'm fairly new here...can you direct me to that one....? please

does this mean you're saying it's trustworthy, or rather not?

Good Doctor HST
12-09-2005, 07:19 PM
President Bush is a spoiled child all grown up and in charge of the most powerful nation in the World. He has gotten his own way throughout life, gotten off the hook regardless of the situation, floated through college partying and grab-assing the whole time, been kept out of risking his life in Vietnam, etc........

If Bush thinks the Constitution is nothing but "a goddamned piece of paper", and he's surrounded by yes-men, he will say what he thinks. Remember, he has God on his side....

amman254
12-09-2005, 07:26 PM
President Bush is a spoiled child all grown up and in charge of the most powerful nation in the World. He has gotten his own way throughout life, gotten off the hook regardless of the situation, floated through college partying and grab-assing the whole time, been kept out of risking his life in Vietnam, etc........

If Bush thinks the Constitution is nothing but "a goddamned piece of paper", and he's surrounded by yes-men, he will say what he thinks. Remember, he has God on his side....

gotcha...that's the way i see it too....

but did he say it ?? that would be so heavy...it couldn't be documented somewhere...i mean, that would be like a breach of his swearing in ceremony....

Gold9472
12-09-2005, 07:32 PM
sorry gold...you know i'm fairly new here...can you direct me to that one....? please

does this mean you're saying it's trustworthy, or rather not?

Here's the story about the memo...

http://www.yourbbsucks.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6166

I don't know if he's credible... I emailed him asking to post a copy of that memo, and never heard from him... I asked Wayne Madsen if he knew of him, and he said he'd heard of him, but he's a little "strange", (I think that's the word he used)...

amman254
12-09-2005, 08:05 PM
Here's the story about the memo...

http://www.yourbbsucks.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6166

I don't know if he's credible... I emailed him asking to post a copy of that memo, and never heard from him... I asked Wayne Madsen if he knew of him, and he said he'd heard of him, but he's a little "strange", (I think that's the word he used)...

fuck.....for the 42nd time this evening, thanks jon.....

enough is enough:hump:

Gold9472
12-09-2005, 08:19 PM
I do what I can. :)

ThotPolice
12-09-2005, 11:07 PM
I guess the presidency is just a god damn formality. How does that impeaching thingy work? Is it up to the people? If a blow job can do it..I mean Jesus christ!

beltman713
12-12-2005, 06:37 PM
http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_7797.shtml

Where there's smoke, there's ire

By DOUG THOMPSON
Dec 12, 2005, 08:33

The firestorm over Friday’s column quoting President George W. Bush’s obscene outburst over the Constitution continues to grow with our email box overflowing from outraged readers who think the President should be impeached along with pro-Bushites who want my head on a platter.

I’m surprised by the public’s anger over this. When a GOP operative first emailed me about the White House meeting where Bush called the Constitution “just a goddamned piece of paper,” I put it aside as one of many reports I get about the President’s temper tantrums.

Bush lashed out at an aide who dared question him on the USA Patriot Act. That’s typical Bush. We started reporting on the President’s outbursts last year and those tantrums are now widely reported now by the so-called “mainstream media.”

As Evan Thomas and Richard Wolfe write in the current edition of Newsweek:

“A White House aide, who like virtually all White House officials (in this story and in general) refused to be identified for fear of antagonizing the president… How many people dare to snap back at a president? Not many, and not unless they have known the president a long, long time. (Even Karl Rove, or "Turd Blossom," as he is sometimes addressed by the president, knows when to hold his tongue.) In the Bush White House, disagreement is often equated with disloyalty… his attitude toward Congress was "my way or the highway," according to a GOP staffer who did not want to be identified criticizing the president.”

We get tips about Bush’s temper and his comments all the time. Most of the tips don’t get used because we don’t go with information from just one source. The tip about “the goddamned piece of paper” seemed destined for the byte bin until a second aide, in casual conversation, mentioned the comment.

So I called a third source who has confirmed information in the past. At first he was defensive.

“Who told you about that?” I told him I’d picked it up from two other sources.

“Look, you know how the President is,” he said. “He gets agitated when people challenge him.”

All I wanted to know was did the President of the United States call the Constitution a “goddamned piece of paper.”

“Yeah. He did.”

So I went with the story. To me it was just another example of a President who too often lets his anger get the better of him, particularly with anyone who dares disagree. I didn’t see it as a rallying cry for those who either want Bush’s head for his various misdeeds or mine for daring report them.

Some say Bush should be impeached. Sorry, I don’t agree. He’s not the first President to consider the Constitution an expendable document and he won’t be the last. Most Presidents have complained that the Constitution gets in their way.

When Teddy Roosevelt decided to send the Marines into North Africa, his Secretary of State cautioned him such an act would be unconstitutional.

Teddy snapped back: “Why destroy the beauty of the act with legalities?”

Presidents, by their nature, look for ways to skirt the law when that law gets in the way of their agendas. If we impeached every President who disregarded the Constitution when it didn’t suit his purposes we probably would have tried just about every President in the last 50 years.

Those who support the President no matter what now demand that I release the names of aides who passed on the information.

Sorry. Doesn’t work that way. I don’t burn sources. Never have. Never will. And, as every news outlet that covers Washington knows, the Bush administration comes down hard on anyone who talks out of school about the President.

“Sometimes the only way to get a story is to promise confidentiality,” Lucy Dalglish, executive director of The Reporters Committee for Freedom of the Press advocacy group, told the Christian Science Monitor recently.

In a White House where any disagreement with the President is branded as disloyalty or, in some cases, unpatriotic, the only sources who will tell us what’s really going on are those who choose to remain anonymous.

It ain’t perfect but in these imperfect times, it’s the best we’ve got.

© Copyright 2005 by Capitol Hill Blue