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07-16-2005, 07:00 PM
Was It Suicide?


By Jeff Edwards

Why did they buy return train tickets to Luton? Why did they buy pay & display tickets for cars? Why were there no usual shouts of 'Allah Akhbar'? Why were bombs in bags and not on their bodies?

THE London bombers may have been duped into killing themselves so their secrets stayed hidden.

Police and MI5 are probing if the four men were told by their al-Qaeda controller they had time to escape after setting off timers. Instead, the devices exploded immediately.

A security source said: "If the bombers lived and were caught they'd probably have cracked. Would their masters have allowed that to happen? We think not."

The evidence is compelling: The terrorists bought return rail tickets, and pay and display car park tickets, before boarding _ a train at Luton for London. None of the men was heard to cry "Allah Akhbar!" - "God is great" - usually screamed by suicide bombers as they detonate their bomb.

Their devices were in large rucksacks which could be easily dumped instead of being strapped to their bodies. They carried wallets containing their driving licences, bank cards and other personal items. Suicide bombers normally strip themselves of identifying material.

Similar terror attacks against public transport in Madrid last year were carried out by recruits who had time to escape and planned to strike again.

Bomber Hasib Hussain detonated his device at the rear of the top deck of a No 30 bus, not in the middle of the bottom deck where most damage would be caused.

Additionally, two of the bombers had strong personal reasons for staying alive.

Jermaine Lindsay's partner Samantha Lewthwaite, 22, mother of his one-year-old son, is expecting her second baby within days. Mohammed Sidique Khan's wife Hasina, mum of a 14-month-old daughter, is also pregnant.

Our source disclosed: "The theory that they were not a suicide squad is gathering pace. They were the weakest link.

"We think it's possible they were told that when they pressed buttons to set off timers they'd have a short time to abandon the bombs and get away before the blast. Instead, the bombs exploded immediately."

Another intelligence source added: "Whoever is behind this didn't want to waste their best operatives on a suicide mission. Instead they used easily recruited low-grade men who may have believed they'd walk away."

At least 54 people were killed in the 7/7 blasts. Khan, 30, of Dewsbury, Shehzad Tanweer, 22, of Leeds, and Jamaican-born Lindsay, 19, of Aylesbury, Bucks, detonated devices on the Tube at Edgware Road, Aldgate and King's Cross.

Hussain, 18, of Leeds, blasted the bus at Tavistock Square. The Tube explosions went off almost simultaneously. But the bus went up an hour later.

Yesterday, Hussain's family told of their horror at the teenager's involvement in the massacre. They said in a statement: "We are devastated over the events of the past few days. Hasib was a loving and normal young man who gave us no concern and we are having difficulty taking this in.

"Our thoughts are with all the bereaved families. We have to live with the loss of our son in these difficult circumstances.

"We had no knowledge of his activities and, had we done, we would have done everything in our power to stop him. We urge anyone with information to cooperate fully with the authorities."

Police are urgently investigating the missing 81 minutes between Hussain arriving from Luton in London and the time his bomb went off.

His device may have malfunctioned. He may have lost his nerve. Or he may have panicked when he discovered the Northern Line, on which he is thought to have been due to travel, was suspended.

Officers want to discover if Hussain met anyone else who either strengthened his faltering resolve or reset his flawed bomb.

07-16-2005, 07:34 PM
This came from another forum and was a message to the sheeple, I thought some of you might like to read it. Not that I think you are sheeple. A few of the sites I go to think that these guys were hired by MI5 and went to pakistan to train on becoming an agent and were duped into believing that they were only part of an actual terror training exercise and never had any ill intentions. Too many questions about this latest incident similar to 911

Thursday, 7 July, 2005

Statement claiming London attacks

The BBC has located an Islamist website that has published a 200-word statement issued by an organisation saying it carried out the London bombings.

The organisation calls itself the Secret Organisation Group of al-Qaeda [literally the base] of Jihad Organisation in Europe.

The group is previously unknown.

The website has previously carried statements purporting to be from al-Qaeda. It is not possible to verify such claims published on the web.

This is the full text of the statement.
In the name of God, the merciful, the compassionate, may peace be upon the cheerful one and undaunted fighter, Prophet Muhammad, God's peace be upon him.

Nation of Islam and Arab nation: Rejoice for it is time to take revenge against the British Zionist Crusader government in retaliation for the massacres Britain is committing in Iraq and Afghanistan. The heroic mujahideen have carried out a blessed raid in London. Britain is now burning with fear, terror and panic in its northern, southern, eastern, and western quarters.

We have repeatedly warned the British Government and people. We have fulfilled our promise and carried out our blessed military raid in Britain after our mujahideen exerted strenuous efforts over a long period of time to ensure the success of the raid.

We continue to warn the governments of Denmark and Italy and all the Crusader governments that they will be punished in the same way if they do not withdraw their troops from Iraq and Afghanistan. He who warns is excused.

God says: "You who believe: If ye will aid (the cause of) Allah, He will aid you, and plant your feet firmly."


The Secret Organization Group of al-Qaeda of Jihad Organization in Europe!

This story was everywhere within a matter of minutes "planting" the idea that it was 'evil Muslim terrorists' that perpetrated this crime! That alone makes me think that this may have been a False Flag Operation. Yes, a False Flag Operation used to drum up more support for the neverending 'War on Terror'.

Ask yourself "who benefits? "The 'evil Muslim terrorists' or the ones pimping this neverending 'War on Terror'?

If you don't want to believe this incident was created by the British Government and/or other governments and only want to believe the 'fairy tale' that the mainstream media is feeding you without questioning it, you're doing a disservice not only to yourself, but also to the victims of the bombings on 7/7.

Just because CNN or FOX or the BBC or Tony Blair or George Bush say that it was al-Qaeda suicide bombers DOESN'T MAKE IT SO. The BBC article at the top of this article proves that the government has no problem lying to you to forward their agenda!

Remember back when you were a child and all the adults would tell you to tell the truth? Well there are a lot of adults that have a lot of power that aren’t telling the public the truth right now. They are only telling you what THEY want you to know.


Why were there terror drills running at the precise location and times of the actual bombings that were almost identical to the same scenario that actually happened"? Peter Power, the Managing Director of Visor Consultants admits on camera that his company was running an exercise simultaneously while the bombs were going off at precisely the very same railway stations that were attacked. What were the exact details of that "exercise"? Did they involve Arabs/Muslims or people disguised as Arabs/Muslims? Why isn't the mainstream media asking questions about this "exercise" that Power himself has admitted to on camera at least twice? Are these kinds of verifiable FACTS not news worthy?

Why were there news reports released on 7/7 reporting that British officials warned the Israeli Embassy in London of a possible terror attack before the blasts? If those reports weren’t true, why didn't the Israeli Finance Minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, leave his hotel room for his scheduled speaking engagement at an economic conference held near a subway stop where one of the blasts occurred? It’s a FACT that he DID NOT leave his hotel room to arrive at his speaking engagement that morning. Why? If there was a warning before the blasts, why wasn't the public given that warning also?

Why were the explosives used in the bombings described by the MSM as being ‘simple and homemade’, but then changed their story to ‘high explosives, not made of homemade material’? And why did the London Times and France's Le Monde report that the bombers used sophisticated military explosives? And why has the story changed once again to 'homemade' explosives?

Why wasn't the surveillance camera on the bus that was bombed not working at the time of the attacks? Was the driver of the bus aware that the camera wasn’t working?

Why did the MSM carelessly report that al-Qaeda was involved in the bombings only a couple of hours after the blasts which they admitted could not be verified? Did any other groups claim responsibility for the bombings and if so why weren't those claims reported to the public too?

Why has Blair already ruled out a bombing inquiry so soon after the attacks?

Those are only a few questions that need to be answered. And there is nothing wrong with asking questions like the ones from above considering the circumstances surrounding the events that occured in London on 7/7 and the days following the bombings.

Don't be afraid to ask questions and don't criticize others (like me) for asking them. The reason that I and others ARE asking the tough questions about the bombings in London is to get to the TRUTH to expose what really happened in an effort to make sure things like that don't ever happen again.

Don't allow them to lie to you and manipulate you any longer. They are making fools of you. Look at the story below and then decide if what you are being told is true.

Wednesday, 20 February, 2002
Pentagon plans propaganda war

By Tom Carver
Washington correspondent

The Pentagon is toying with the idea of black propaganda.

As part of George Bush's war on terrorism, the military is thinking of planting propaganda and misleading stories in the international media.

A new department has been set up inside the Pentagon with the Orwellian title of the Office of Strategic Influence.

It is well funded, is being run by a general and its aim is to influence public opinion abroad.

Black and white

It has been canvassing opinion within the Pentagon on what it should do.

The options range from the standard public relations stuff - doing more to explain the Pentagon's role - to more underhand tactics such as e-mailing journalists and community leaders abroad with information that undermines governments hostile to the United States.

These e-mails would come from a .com return address rather than .mil to hide the Pentagon's role.

The most controversial suggestion is the covert planting of disinformation in foreign media, a process known as black propaganda.

All this has sparked off a fierce debate within the Pentagon. The options range from "the blackest of black programmes to the whitest of white," one official told the New York Times.

Some generals are worried that even a suggestion of disinformation would undermine the Pentagon's credibility and America's attempts to portray herself as the beacon of liberty and democratic values.

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