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Gold9472
05-02-2005, 06:38 PM
How to Identify Misinformation

http://usinfo.state.gov/media/Archive_Index/Identifying_Misinformation.html

How can a journalist or a news consumer tell if a story is true or false? There are no exact rules, but the following clues may help indicate if a story or allegation is true.

First, does the story claim that vast, powerful, evil forces are secretly manipulating events? If so, this fits the profile of a conspiracy theory, which is rarely true, even though such theories have great appeal and are often widely believed. In reality, events usually have much less exciting explanations.

Second, is the story startlingly good, bad, amazing, horrifying, or otherwise seemingly “too good” or “too terrible” to be true? If so, it may be an “urban legend.” Urban legends, which often circulate by word of mouth, e-mail, or the Internet, are false claims that are widely believed because they put a common fear, hope, suspicion, or other emotion into story form.

For example, after the September 11 attacks, a story arose that someone had survived the World Trade Center collapse by “surfing” a piece of concrete from the 80th floor to the ground. Nothing so extraordinary occurred, but many initially believed this, out of desperate hope that some people trapped in the towers miraculously survived their collapse.

Third, be aware of widely repeated allegations that are false, but which many continue to believe. The AIDS virus was not invented in a laboratory. Americans do not adopt children from other countries to use them in organ transplants. Likewise, there are many exaggerated fears about depleted uranium, probably because people mistakenly associate it with weapons-grade uranium or fuel-grade uranium, which are much more dangerous substances.

Fourth, consider the source. Conspiracy theorists often circulate false or skewed information. Ideological extremists frequently spread false stories.

Fifth, research the claim further and, if you wish, ask us. We can’t respond to all requests for information, but if a request is reasonable and we have the time, we will do our best to provide accurate, authoritative information.

Gold9472
05-02-2005, 06:41 PM
"First, does the story claim that vast, powerful, evil forces are secretly manipulating events? If so, this fits the profile of a conspiracy theory, which is rarely true, even though such theories have great appeal and are often widely believed. In reality, events usually have much less exciting explanations."

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!! I don't even know where to begin with this statement...

Gold9472
05-02-2005, 06:47 PM
Where in the definition of "Conspiracy" does it say vast, powerful, evil forces are secretly manipulating events?

con·spir·a·cy
n. pl. con·spir·a·cies
1. An agreement to perform together an illegal, wrongful, or subversive act.
2. A group of conspirators.
3. Law. An agreement between two or more persons to commit a crime or accomplish a legal purpose through illegal action.
4. A joining or acting together, as if by sinister design: a conspiracy of wind and tide that devastated coastal areas.

As Dr. Griffin said on his C-SPAN appearance, conspiracies happen all the time. If you have an idea how the conspiracy happened, you have a conspiracy theory.

If conspiracy theories are "rarely true", then how do the police ever capture their criminals? Don't they have to investigate the crime, and "theorize" on how it took place? If they're always wrong, then there are a lot of innocent people in jail right now.

Gold9472
05-02-2005, 06:53 PM
A "conspiracy" requires two or more individuals conspiring to take part in a crime.

The Iran/Contra Affair
The Savings & Loan Scandal
Iraqgate
Monicagate
Watergate
The Gulf Of Tonkin
The Insertion Of Drugs Into City Streets

All of these were a "Conspiracy". Those who broke the story, had a "Conspiracy Theory".

Gold9472
05-02-2005, 07:03 PM
"In reality, events usually have much less exciting explanations."

19 individuals spent years training for a day that would live in infamy. They would cleverly plan an attack using hijacked aircraft to crash into prominent American buildings. They would manage to trick our entire Defense Systems, systems that have been in place, and proven time and time again. They would perform maneuvers that most pilots claim they wouldn't be able to do. They would get passed the Pentagon's anti-aircraft missles that are designed to fire on anything other than a military aircraft. They would plan all of this from a cave in Afghanistan. Without the help of ANYBODY. Oooh... Exciting... whoops, maybe not.

911=inside job
05-02-2005, 07:21 PM
its all such a sick joke....

Gold9472
05-02-2005, 07:50 PM
its all such a sick joke....

I don't find it funny. Not one bit.

pcteaser
05-02-2005, 08:08 PM
Second, is the story startlingly good, bad, amazing, horrifying, or otherwise seemingly “too good” or “too terrible” to be true? If so, it may be an “urban legend.” Urban legends, which often circulate by word of mouth, e-mail, or the Internet, are false claims that are widely believed because they put a common fear, hope, suspicion, or other emotion into story form.

I think this article is a bit of misinformation in itself. Or misdirection.... "Don't look at the man behind the curtain."

Ophie
05-02-2005, 10:02 PM
I think this article is a bit of misinformation in itself. Or misdirection.... "Don't look at the man behind the curtain."
That's what I was thinking.

Uber Commandante
05-03-2005, 09:06 AM
Also, if the 'conspiracy theorist' is saying bad things about the president, you know they are part of the liberal agenda that is anti-God, and anti-religious folks, and that they really want to let the criminals out of jail to sodomize christians.

So don't listen to them.

Gold9472
05-03-2005, 09:18 AM
Also, if the 'conspiracy theorist' is saying bad things about the president, you know they are part of the liberal agenda that is anti-God, and anti-religious folks, and that they really want to let the criminals out of jail to sodomize christians.

So don't listen to them.

*crickets*

WhiteGuySaysThis
05-03-2005, 09:19 AM
Also, if the 'conspiracy theorist' is saying bad things about the president, you know they are part of the liberal agenda that is anti-God, and anti-religious folks, and that they really want to let the criminals out of jail to sodomize christians.

So don't listen to them.Uber Commandante is here! I hardly ever see you on... you should come come hang out with us more here at the YBBS BB. (I need some help stealing titles in the arcade too ;) )

Uber Commandante
05-03-2005, 09:23 AM
Uber Commandante is here! I hardly ever see you on... you should come come hang out with us more here at the YBBS BB. (I need some help stealing titles in the arcade too ;) )

Thanks for the welcome - been a little hog tied lately. I just managed to gnaw through the ropes.

WhiteGuySaysThis
05-03-2005, 09:28 AM
Thanks for the welcome - been a little hog tied lately. I just managed to gnaw through the ropes.HA! We're a weird bunch here... Gold9472 is the ring leader of our madness...

Gold9472
02-01-2006, 08:06 PM
bump

AuGmENTor
09-15-2007, 06:46 PM
bump

dMole
12-10-2007, 03:30 AM
This bit from our State Department:

http://usinfo.state.gov/xarchives/display.html?p=pubs-english&y=2006&m=August&x=20060828133846esnamfuaK0.2676355

19 September 2006

The Top September 11 Conspiracy Theories

Numerous unfounded conspiracy theories about the September 11 attacks continue to circulate, especially on the Internet. Some of the most prevalent myths are:

1) The World Trade Center (WTC) twin towers were destroyed by controlled demolitions.

This is how the collapses may have appeared to non-experts, but demolition experts point out many differences:





Demolition professionals always blow the bottom floors of a structure first, but the WTC tower collapses began at the upper levels, where the planes hit the buildings.
Non-experts claim that debris seen blowing out of windows was evidence of explosive charges, but experts identify this as air and light office contents (paper, pulverized concrete, etc.) being forced out of windows as floors collapsed on each other.
Demolition firms had very sensitive seismographs operating at other sites in Manhattan on September 11. None recorded any explosions during the tower collapses.
Clean-up crews found none of the telltale signs of controlled demolitions that would have existed if explosive charges had been used.
Cutting away walls, insulation, plumbing, and electrical conduits to place numerous charges on the towers’ structural columns in advance would not have gone unnoticed.
For more information, see ImplosionWorld’s article (http://www.implosionworld.com/Article-WTC%20STUDY%208-06%20w%20clarif%20as%20of%209-8-06%20.pdf) on the WTC collapses and Popular Mechanics, parts 4 (http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1227842.html?page=4&c=y) and 5 (http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1227842.html?page=5&c=y).
2) No plane hit the Pentagon on September 11. Instead, it was a missile fired by elements “from inside the American state apparatus.”

Conspiracy theorists making this claim ignore several facts:



The remains of the bodies of the crew and passengers of American Airlines flight 77 were found at the Pentagon crash site, and positively identified by DNA.
The flight’s black box was also recovered at the site.
Numerous eyewitnesses saw the plane strike the Pentagon. Some saw passengers through the plane’s windows. Missiles don’t have windows or carry passengers.
Numerous photographs show airplane debris at the crash site, as was also witnessed by survivors and rescue personnel. See sections 4:57 to 6:00 of the “911 Case Study: Pentagon Flight 77” (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVDdjLQkUV8) video for pictures of airliner debris.
For more information, see “Did a Plane Hit the Pentagon?” (http://usinfo.state.gov/media/Archive/2005/Jun/28-581634.html) and Popular Mechanics, part 6 (http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1227842.html?page=6&c=y).
3) The planes that hit the World Trade Center towers were remotely controlled.



Boeing, which manufactured the planes that struck the towers, stated that all its commercial jet transports are configured so that they cannot be controlled from anywhere except the flight deck of the aircraft.
Passengers onboard the flights made several phone calls. All reported that hijackers had commandeered the planes.
For more information, see “Did a Plane Hit the Pentagon?” (http://usinfo.state.gov/media/Archive/2005/Jun/28-581634.html)
4) United Airlines flight 93, which crashed in Pennsylvania, was shot down by a missile.



The cockpit voice recorder of this flight was recovered and showed that the passenger revolt caused the hijackers to deliberately crash the plane. The hijackers controlled the plane until its impact. See full transcript (http://www.guardian.co.uk/september11/story/0,,1753157,00.html).
The U.S. military did not learn that flight 93 had been hijacked until four minutes after it crashed, as recently released tapes (http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/story?id=2267008&page=3) demonstrate.
The military never gave interceptor pilots authorization to shoot down United flight 93. See article (http://www.vanityfair.com/features/general/060801fege01) on tapes.
Listen to the 45-second message (http://www.vaed.uscourts.gov/notablecases/moussaoui/exhibits/prosecution/flights/P200054.html) left by flight attendant CeeCee Lyles on her home answering machine. Click on the “Lyles” file or the phone icon in the bottom left corner of the flight 93 page.
For more information, see The 9/11 Commission Report (http://www.9-11commission.gov/report/index.htm) chapter 1, “We Have Some Planes,”pages 13-14.
5) World Trade Center building 7 was destroyed by a controlled demolition.



This allegation was fueled by a comment by the WTC owner that, after WTC 7 was judged to be unstable, he recommended pulling a group of firefighters out of the building, using the phrase “pull it” in reference to the contingent of firefighters. For more details, see 9/11 Revealed? (http://usinfo.state.gov/media/Archive/2005/Sep/16-241966.html)
Conspiracy theorists have interpreted the “pull it” remark as slang for demolishing the building with explosives. But demolition experts say “pulling” a building means attaching long cables to a weakened structure and literally pulling it down with bulldozers and other powerful machinery – not using explosives.
Seismographs recorded no telltale spikes or anomalies that would have indicated the use of explosives.
For more information, see ImplosionWorld (http://www.implosionworld.com/Article-WTC%20STUDY%208-06%20w%20clarif%20as%20of%209-8-06%20.pdf) article and Popular Mechanics, part 5 (http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1227842.html?page=5&c=y).
6) Insider trading in the stocks of United Airlines and American Airlines just before September 11 is evidence of advance knowledge of the plot.



The 9/11 Commission investigated this issue in detail, concluding, “Some unusual trading did in fact occur, but each such trade proved to have an innocuous explanation.”
For example, it stated, “much of the seemingly suspicious trading in American [Airlines stock] on September 10 was traced to a specific U.S.-based options trading newsletter, faxed to its subscribers on Sunday, September 9, which recommended these trades.”
For other examples, see The 9/11 Commission Report (http://www.9-11commission.gov/report/index.htm), “Notes” section, page 499, footnote 130.
7) Four thousand Jews failed to show up for work at the World Trade Center on September 11.



It appears from media reports that some 10-15% of WTC victims were Jewish, indicating there were no mass absences.
The “4,000” figure apparently came from an early statement by the Israeli Foreign Ministry that some “4,000 Israelis” were believed to be in the New York and Washington areas, where the attacks occurred. This figure was apparently seized upon by conspiracy theorists, in an attempt to bolster the false rumor.
For more information, see “The 4,000 Jews Rumor.” (http://usinfo.state.gov/media/Archive/2005/Jan/14-260933.html)
8) Al Qaida is not responsible for the September 11 attacks.



Al Qaida leaders, including Osama bin Laden, have repeatedly confirmed that they planned and carried out the September 11 attacks.
In an audiotape released on May 23, 2006, bin Laden stated, “I was responsible for entrusting the 19 brothers … with those raids ….”
In a November 2001 tape, bin Laden said, “We calculated in advance the number of casualties … who would be killed …. I was the most optimistic of them all. … Due to my experience in this field, I was thinking that the fire from the gas in the plane would melt the iron structure of the building and collapse the area where the plane hit and all the floors above it only.”
For more information, see “Al Qaeda and September 11th.” (http://usinfo.state.gov/media/Archive/2005/Jan/14-610042.html)
(Distributed by the Bureau of International Information Programs, U.S. Department of State. Web site: http://usinfo.state.gov)