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Gold9472
04-23-2005, 09:47 PM
Demand for Rumsfeld abuse inquiry

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4475133.stm

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The US should name a special prosecutor to look at Donald Rumsfeld's possible role in the abuse of US military prisoners, a human rights group says.

Human Rights Watch says the US defence secretary may bear "command responsibility" for abuse at Iraq's Abu Ghraib prison and elsewhere.

The organisation says others, like former CIA director George Tenet, should also face investigation.

The Pentagon says Mr Rumsfeld did not authorise or condone any abuse.

Human Rights Watch (HRW) released its report ahead of the first anniversary of the Abu Ghraib scandal, which broke in late April last year.

It emerged that US guards at the Baghdad prison had subjected Iraqi detainees to torture and abuse.

Some guards have gone on trial but critics say there has been no full investigation into what senior defence figures knew about or even authorised.

"The soldiers at the bottom of the chain are taking the heat for Abu Ghraib and torture around the world while the guys at the top who made the policies are going scot free," said Reed Brody, special counsel for HRW.

Since Abu Ghraib, the Pentagon has also opened dozens of investigations into alleged abuse of prisoners in Iraq and Afghanistan, while allegations persist about mistreatment at the US military base at Guantanamo Bay in Cuba.

'Evidence'

HRW said Mr Rumsfeld could be liable for war crimes under the doctrine of "command responsibility" - the legal principle that holds a superior responsible for his subordinates' actions when he knows, or should know, that crimes are being committed but fails to stop them.

It said Mr Rumsfeld approved interrogation techniques - such as the use of guard dogs to frighten prisoners and painful "stress" positions - that violated the Geneva Conventions.

It said the investigation should not be carried out by justice department officials because Attorney General Alberto Gonzales himself had a role in approving interrogation techniques.

It called on Congress and the president to establish a special commission and appoint a special prosecutor.

HRW says it has "substantial evidence warranting criminal investigations" into Mr Rumsfeld, Mr Tenet, Lt Gen Ricardo Sanchez, the former senior commander in Iraq, and Gen Geoffrey Miller, former commander of the prison camp at Guantanamo Bay.

'Unsubstantiated'

Mr Rumsfeld is already being sued by two civil liberties groups on behalf of eight men who claim to have been abused by US forces in Iraq and Afghanistan.

A Pentagon spokesman said HRW's allegations were "frivolous and unsubstantiated".

Lt Cdr Flex Plexico said US policy requires that all detainees be treated humanely and that any credible allegations of illegal conduct are investigated.

"There is nothing in the detention or interrogation policies established by Secretary Rumsfeld or the defence department that even remotely qualifies as torture," he told the BBC News website.

"Secretary Rumsfeld has repeatedly condemned any abuse or mistreatment of detainees."

Gold9472
04-23-2005, 09:56 PM
Scumbag.

somebigguy
04-23-2005, 10:01 PM
That's bullshit, didn't you post an article long ago that mentioned Bush condoned the abuses as well??

Gold9472
04-23-2005, 10:02 PM
That's bullshit, didn't you post an article long ago that mentioned Bush condoned the abuses as well??

who can remember

Gold9472
04-23-2005, 10:02 PM
I posted something today that I wrote a long time ago about the Abuse situation...

Gold9472
04-23-2005, 10:03 PM
http://www.yourbbsucks.com/forum/showthread.php?p=15355#post15355

somebigguy
04-23-2005, 10:04 PM
I hope those fuckers get what's coming to them.

Gold9472
04-23-2005, 10:04 PM
I hope those fuckers get what's coming to them.

We'll see... I was talking with Mary today, and it feels like something big is on the horizon.

somebigguy
04-23-2005, 10:05 PM
We'll see... I was talking with Mary today, and it feels like something big is on the horizon.
I dig, I feel it too. Hopefully Karl Swartz. I still have my hopes up on that one.

Gold9472
04-23-2005, 10:06 PM
However, you know "big" doesn't necessarily mean "good" either...

somebigguy
04-23-2005, 10:08 PM
However, you know "big" doesn't necessarily mean "good" either...
Well they gotta sell the draft you know. Not good.

Gold9472
04-23-2005, 10:10 PM
Well they gotta sell the draft you know. Not good.

Something... It just feels like I sense "desperation" on the part of the Neocons... and a growing sense of disgust within the country...

I saw some family tonight... one works for the IRS, and he said that Government workers are being treated like shit.

somebigguy
04-23-2005, 10:12 PM
Something... It just feels like I sense "desperation" on the part of the Neocons... and a growing sense of disgust within the country...

I saw some family tonight... one works for the IRS, and he said that Government workers are being treated like shit.
Polls are down, truth movement is gaining momentum. Hopefully they're sweating a bit...

Gold9472
04-23-2005, 10:13 PM
Polls are down, truth movement is gaining momentum. Hopefully they're sweating a bit...

Bush is at 43%... what happens if it gets REALLY low, like 1%...?

somebigguy
04-23-2005, 10:17 PM
Bush is at 43%... what happens if it gets REALLY low, like 1%...?
43% is pretty damn high considering the damage he has done and continues to do. Stupid people supporting the War On Terror.

Gold9472
04-23-2005, 10:20 PM
43% is pretty damn high considering the damage he has done and continues to do. Stupid people supporting the War On Terror.

Don't you mean, the "War On America"?

Gold9472
04-23-2005, 10:21 PM
But I mean, if he gets to 1%, does he get fired?

somebigguy
04-23-2005, 10:23 PM
To the average shmoe, its the war on terror. To anyone that knows its the war on America and the rest of the world. He who gets all the oil wins.

somebigguy
04-23-2005, 10:24 PM
But I mean, if he gets to 1%, does he get fired?
Impeachment long before then hopefully. Followed by criminal charges. Personally, I think his goose is cooked.

Gold9472
04-23-2005, 10:27 PM
Impeachment long before then hopefully. Followed by criminal charges. Personally, I think his goose is cooked.

I think America is going to come to a "Crossroads" very soon... people will have to decide what direction they want this country to go in, etc... I think if the truth is made known, people who didn't come out before will be out and about... Fathers, mothers, brothers, sisters, etc... People will start to think of their families futures, etc...

Again, I hope.

somebigguy
04-23-2005, 10:28 PM
I think America is going to come to a "Crossroads" very soon... people will have to decide what direction they want this country to go in, etc... I think if the truth is made known, people who didn't come out before will be out and about... Fathers, mothers, brothers, sisters, etc... People will start to think of their families futures, etc...

Again, I hope.
I dig, lets keep the pressure on.

Gold9472
04-23-2005, 10:30 PM
I dig, lets keep the pressure on.

You do that window washing titman...

somebigguy
04-23-2005, 10:30 PM
You do that window washing titman...
You like my tits?

Gold9472
04-23-2005, 10:31 PM
You like my tits?

Oh yeah baby... again, again...

somebigguy
04-23-2005, 10:32 PM
Oh yeah baby... again, again...
Yep, tits, they're not just for breakfast anymore.