I Have A 9/11 Question
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somebigguy
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I've heard that one or more of the alleged planes are still in service, might be interesting if that could be proven.
somebigguy said:
Michael Ruppert's major argument is the fact that Remote Controlled airplanes were used during "Live Fly" exercises...
Ok... where would the military go to get airplanes to be fitted with Remote Controls? A "throwaway" to be used during an exercise...
Or, they went all out, and built new planes just for 9/11.
Either way, if they were Remote Controlled airplanes, there has to be mechanics aware of fitting remote controls on a plane. Where do they do that? What types of planes have been fitted? There have to be records for those kinds of things.
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Hey Jon, I've heard of someone who was watching the radar that day that saw the planes actually disappear over the ocean. I don't know if I buy that, sounds kind of risky, the wreckage could wash up somewhere.Gold9472 said:
However, there is no question that the gov't could stash planes somewhere and strip them down. There is also some talk that a couple of the flights may never have existed, which would resolve most problems. I do believe in the Bumble Planes theory which is why 93 HAD to be shot down, seems to be a bit of evidence to support this too. Especially when Rummie said it was shot down by a missle, then the article you posted this week, plus the witnesses of the additional planes in the area etc.
One day someone is gonna piece all this together, and I think that will be sooner rather than later. Momentum seems to be building at the moment...
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I thought they already could until Payne Stewart went down and they couldn't take control of his plane. However, from what I've seen, they have been able to do it since at least the 80s.Gold9472 said:
Operation Northwoods goes into extreme detail on how to switch a plane in mid flight without being detected, that was back in the 60s. Not sure if it mentioned remote control or not, but I think it may have. Anyway, it's near the end of the Northwoods document where they talk about switching the plane, it is amazing, they had the whole operation planned out, and I believe it included a remote control drone.
911 was Northwoods without question, and that document can point us in the right direction as to what happened on 9/11. Taking another look at that may point us in the right direction as to what happened to the real planes.
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gold. the gov can do anything they want!!!!! anything!!!! getting a plane is nothing..
sbg is about the only person that i have met on the net that i allways agree with.... he must be a real thinker...
on a side note, i just finished reading animal farm today and 1984 last week... damn those are some good books....
next is brave new world... HAHHAHAHA!!!! should be good...
sbg is about the only person that i have met on the net that i allways agree with.... he must be a real thinker...
on a side note, i just finished reading animal farm today and 1984 last week... damn those are some good books....
next is brave new world... HAHHAHAHA!!!! should be good...
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911=inside job
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sbg, i dont think anyone has ever said they can take the controls of any plane... only ones that have been rigged up for it.. i think...HAHHAHA!!!!
I sent a lot of truthers this question:
Has anyone ever checked to see if any planes were missing from the boneyard, or in the military, or talk to people responsible for inventory of those types of things?
Wayne Madsen's Response
"you're talking about Davis Monthan out near Tuscon, never heard about that... may be worth looking into."
Eric Hufschmid's Response
"Christopher Bollyn asked the military about the Global Hawks and was told that 2 were lost in "ongoing operations." They would not clarify that answer any further, so we are left to wonder about the secrecy."
Has anyone ever checked to see if any planes were missing from the boneyard, or in the military, or talk to people responsible for inventory of those types of things?
Wayne Madsen's Response
"you're talking about Davis Monthan out near Tuscon, never heard about that... may be worth looking into."
Eric Hufschmid's Response
"Christopher Bollyn asked the military about the Global Hawks and was told that 2 were lost in "ongoing operations." They would not clarify that answer any further, so we are left to wonder about the secrecy."
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somebigguy
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Hey Inside, I got an image I have to show you. It a classic avatar from the old BBs, you'll get a kick out of it. Jon won't let me use it on this board.911=inside job said:
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WhiteGuySaysThis
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Which one?somebigguy said:
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I just assumed they could, those planes practically fly themselves anyway, the pilot is only needed for landing or taking off.911=inside job said:
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somebigguy
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I read something about this stuff a long time ago, wish I could remember the details. I'll go through my bookmarks and see if I can find it.Gold9472 said:
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somebigguy
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From Operation Northwoods, declassified government document from 1962. This is the plan rejected by Kennedy and ultimately caused his death. This is THE PLAN for 9/11:
8. It is possible to create an incident which will demonstrate convincingly that a Cuban aircraft has attacked and shot down a chartered civil airliner enroute from the United States to Jamaica, Guatemala, Panama or Venezuela. The destination would be chosen only to cause the flight plan route to cross Cuba. The passengers could be a group of college students off on a holiday or any grouping of persons with a common interest to support chartering a non-scheduled flight.
a. An aircraft at Eglin AFB would be painted and numbered as an exact duplicate for a civil registered aircraft belonging to a CIA proprietary organization in the Miami area. At a designated time the duplicate would be substituted for the actual civil aircraft and would be loaded with the selected passengers, all boarded under carefully prepared aliases. The actual registered aircraft would be converted to a drone.
b. Take off times of the drone aircraft and the actual aircraft will be scheduled to allow a rendezvous south of Florida. From the rendezvous point the passenger-carrying aircraft will descend to minimum altitude and go directly into an auxiliary field to Eglin AFB where arrangements will have been made to evacuate the passengers and return the aircraft to its original status. The drone aircraft meanwhile will coontinue to fly the filed flight plan. When over Cuba the drone will being transmitted on the international distress frequency a "MAY DAY" message stating he is under attack by Cuban MIG aircraft. The transmission will be interrupted by destruction of the aircraft which will be triggered by radio signal. This will allow ICAO radio stations in the Western Hermisphere to tell the US what has happened to the aircraft instead of the US trying to "sell" incident.
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b. On one such flight, a pre-briefed pilot would fly tail-end Charley at considerable interval between aircraft. While near the Cuban Island this pilot would broadcast that he had been jumped by MIGs and was going down. No other calls would be made. The pilot would then fly directly west at extremely low altitude and land at a secure base, an Eglin auxiliary. The aircraft would be met by the proper people, quickly stored and given a new tail number. The pilot who had performed the mission under an alias, would resume his proper identity and return to his normal place of business. The pilot and aircraft would then have disappeared.
c. At precisely the same time that the aircraft was presumably shot down a submarine or small surface craft would disburse F-101 parts, parachute, etc., at approximately 15 to 20 miles off the Cuban coast and depart. The pilots returning to Homestead would have a true story as far as they knew.
Entire document can be found here: http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20010430/northwoods.pdf
8. It is possible to create an incident which will demonstrate convincingly that a Cuban aircraft has attacked and shot down a chartered civil airliner enroute from the United States to Jamaica, Guatemala, Panama or Venezuela. The destination would be chosen only to cause the flight plan route to cross Cuba. The passengers could be a group of college students off on a holiday or any grouping of persons with a common interest to support chartering a non-scheduled flight.
a. An aircraft at Eglin AFB would be painted and numbered as an exact duplicate for a civil registered aircraft belonging to a CIA proprietary organization in the Miami area. At a designated time the duplicate would be substituted for the actual civil aircraft and would be loaded with the selected passengers, all boarded under carefully prepared aliases. The actual registered aircraft would be converted to a drone.
b. Take off times of the drone aircraft and the actual aircraft will be scheduled to allow a rendezvous south of Florida. From the rendezvous point the passenger-carrying aircraft will descend to minimum altitude and go directly into an auxiliary field to Eglin AFB where arrangements will have been made to evacuate the passengers and return the aircraft to its original status. The drone aircraft meanwhile will coontinue to fly the filed flight plan. When over Cuba the drone will being transmitted on the international distress frequency a "MAY DAY" message stating he is under attack by Cuban MIG aircraft. The transmission will be interrupted by destruction of the aircraft which will be triggered by radio signal. This will allow ICAO radio stations in the Western Hermisphere to tell the US what has happened to the aircraft instead of the US trying to "sell" incident.
-- Later --
b. On one such flight, a pre-briefed pilot would fly tail-end Charley at considerable interval between aircraft. While near the Cuban Island this pilot would broadcast that he had been jumped by MIGs and was going down. No other calls would be made. The pilot would then fly directly west at extremely low altitude and land at a secure base, an Eglin auxiliary. The aircraft would be met by the proper people, quickly stored and given a new tail number. The pilot who had performed the mission under an alias, would resume his proper identity and return to his normal place of business. The pilot and aircraft would then have disappeared.
c. At precisely the same time that the aircraft was presumably shot down a submarine or small surface craft would disburse F-101 parts, parachute, etc., at approximately 15 to 20 miles off the Cuban coast and depart. The pilots returning to Homestead would have a true story as far as they knew.
Entire document can be found here: http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20010430/northwoods.pdf
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Here's an image of some flight paths:
Lifted from here:
http://www.public-action.com/911/4flights.html
Notice the extremely sharp turns 3 of the 4 planes made. 77 is the only plane that didn't make one of these turns, but it disappeared off of radar, so its a different story.
Anyway, these sharp turns are almost certainly where the planes were switched as described in the Northwoods document. The military bases in those areas are where the original planes landed and the drones were sent up.
I have read somewhere that military bases did exist near ALL of these locations, I'll try to find that document. Anyway, that is where the planes ended up, from there, its anybody's guess.
Lifted from here:
http://www.public-action.com/911/4flights.html
Notice the extremely sharp turns 3 of the 4 planes made. 77 is the only plane that didn't make one of these turns, but it disappeared off of radar, so its a different story.
Anyway, these sharp turns are almost certainly where the planes were switched as described in the Northwoods document. The military bases in those areas are where the original planes landed and the drones were sent up.
I have read somewhere that military bases did exist near ALL of these locations, I'll try to find that document. Anyway, that is where the planes ended up, from there, its anybody's guess.
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Gold9472 said:
There is a massive plane "boneyard" here, near Tucson like Madsen says. A lot of planes end up here because the climate keeps them from rusting apart. The presidental plane used by JFK is kept at Davis Monthan and they do tours and stuff.