Lisa Guliani not allowed here?

[al uh looyah]

so i started a thread here this morning about Lisa Guliani appearing on the http://sign-of-the-times.org podcast, now its gone. I admit i accidentally double posted it and asked the mods to delete the double, but not both!

In the podcast she talks with Laura knight Jadyck about the smear campaign she's endured and about cointelpro in the 9/11 truth movement.

whats up with the deleting of the thread?

[Partridge]

Well I deleted the the one with the 'please delete this thread' message you posted. Didn't touch the other one.

[al uh looyah]

so then where is it? this is the addy for it: http://www.yourbbsucks.com/forum/showthread.php?p=63952

[Gold9472]

He deleted the one duplicate, and I deleted the other duplicate. What is this about? I generally don't like anything Lisa Guliani has to say.

[Gold9472]

Rule #3 of the Truther Forum...

3. There is to be NO posting of articles from sites that particpate in, and promote infighting (specifically, WingTV).

[al uh looyah]

i wrote a reply, clicked the button, and it was lost.

it had this link in it.
http://laura-knight-jadczyk.blogspot.com/2006_01_02_laura-knight-jadczyk_archive.html

i have other stuff to say but will compose it later.

[Gold9472]

In defense of Lisa and Victor?

[al uh looyah]

does not your rule #3 itself violate your rule #4?

The issue of disinformation needs to be discussed. I think its possible to do so without pointing fingers. I tend to be agnostic about who is or who is not 'disinfo', especially on web forums. Seems like the biggest red flags in sussing out who's cointelpro is the ones who point their fingers the most and talk the most about it. I read your rules a long time ago and honestly forgot that this topic is verboten and it seems by your rules that the folks from wingTV are not welcome here. I really haven't listened to Lisa G. all that much in the past, have heard lots of bad things about her etc. but I do listen to the signs-of-the-times.org podcast and found the interview they conducted w/ her to be valuable and interesting to hear her side of the story and about the defamation of character she's suffered lately. The previous series on their podcast was also about cointelpro in the 9/11 truth movement, which i also linked on the forbidden thread. Is it possible to have a civil conversation about the nature of cointelpro in general w/o pointing fingers? Jon suggested wisely to watch that vid about cointelpro in the black power movement. That was a great film and more of this kinda info would serve us well. the link above does not 'defend' Guliani and Thorn, it's title is "how to spot a Cointelpro Agent" and think its a valuable resource.
Cointelpro in the 9/11 Truth Movement is here. It's been here since before day one. Whether and how we acknowledge this fact and strategize to overcome these subversive agents in our midst is crucial to success.

[AuGmENTor]

Cointelpro
What is this?

[Gold9472]

It's better to ignore them. If you ignore them, then they tend to show themselves. For Lisa Guliani to say how she has been "defamed" after everything she has said and done about other people is absurd to me.

[al uh looyah]

Counter intellegence programs.

they've been used by the powers that be for quite some time now. an example was the infiltration of the peace group in michael moore's F 9/11.

the 9/11 Truth movement has folks who offer limited hangouts, disinformation, misinfo, The-Absolute-100%-Truth-of-What-Actually-Happened, and/or call other activists 'cointelpro agents' w/ the intention to "expose, disrupt, misdirect, discredit, or otherwise neutralize" the 9/11 Truth movement. Which is why Jon doesn't want people advancing the "no-plane" theories, as it seems highly dubioius and easily marginalized, disruptive, and discrediting of our more credible evidence.

from the wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COINTELPRO
COINTELPRO (Counter Intelligence Program) is a program of the United States (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States) Federal Bureau of Investigation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Bureau_of_Investigation) aimed at investigating and disrupting dissident political organizations within the United States. Although covert operations have been employed throughout FBI history, the formal COINTELPRO operations of 1956 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1956)-1971 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1971) were broadly targeted against organizations that were (at the time) considered to have politically radical elements, ranging from those whose stated goal was the violent overthrow of the US government (such as the Weathermen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weatherman_%28organization%29)) to non-violent civil rights groups such as Martin Luther King Jr. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Luther_King_Jr.)'s Southern Christian Leadership Conference (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Christian_Leadership_Conference) to violent racist and segregationist groups like the Ku Klux Klan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ku_Klux_Klan) and the American Nazi Party (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Nazi_Party). The founding document of COINTELPRO directed FBI agents to "expose, disrupt, misdirect, discredit, or otherwise neutralize" the activities of these dissident movements and their leaders.

read up on it, its a pretty fascinating subject. here's a forum on the subject: http://signs-of-the-times.org/signs/forum/viewforum.php?id=41
also worth checking ont that signsofthetimes site is the "Cosmic Cointelpro Timeline"
http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/timeline.htm

Judi Bari and Daryl Cherny are my hero's.
one more for your brain:
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/COINTELPRO/cointelpro.html

[AuGmENTor]

Thank you. I get alot of good answers here.

[AuGmENTor]

Wow, I spent 5 minutes looking at this, and it seems theres a whole host of problems I had never considered. People are in here spewing bullshit just to create an atmosphere where there is confusion, and fighting about what the real facts are? As if all this by ITSELF weren't enough.