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PhilosophyGenius said:And as far as being ashamed of America goes. America is still America. When I walk down the street it's still the same as it was last year, the year before, and the year before that. Only the politics is different, hasnt seemed to effect anything around my block.
princesskittypoo said:i think you should just celebrate anyway. i mean it's the politicians that suck. most of american thinks that too we just have no knowledge of what to do about it. most is "fixed" at this point anyway. bought by big corporations with payoffs. the little people are still what makes america good.
the little people don't know what to do... and personally i don't think they see a hope of even doing something anything changing.Gold9472 said:Robert Bowman made a point at his speech in Chicago. In the 50's, families were able to live on one income. Today, you need two incomes just to "get by". Things are changing in America, and Americans haven't done enough to stop it. The little people are what's needed.
casseia said:Yes, lotsa things about America suck. But I sincerely believe that those elitist white male slave-owning dudes back in 1776 set in motion what was to become a fantastic experiment in human liberty. That's why the current situation bums me out as much as it does: if we go down (into fascism, no freedom of speech, etc.) something potentially very valuable to all human beings will be lost.
I had an incredible dinner at the home of some Bangladeshi immigrants a few years ago. That is, the food was awesome, but the conversation was really eye-opening to me. The host, all of whose teeth had been knocked out when he was imprisoned by the government during the war for independence from Pakistan, took a special interest in making me aware of the particular liberty I enjoy as a female American. Women in the US, he said, have no idea of their privilege relative to women in many parts of the world, especially the developing world. And he didn't say it in some weird chauvinist way -- on the contrary, he wanted to make sure I knew how happy he was that his wife could come to the US.
So yeah, if we could just take care of some of our pesky problems (imperialism, war-mongering, rule by secrecy, etc) I would be proud to be an American.