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Gold9472
05-16-2006, 11:43 AM
Judicial Watch to Obtain September 11 Pentagon Video at 1 p.m. Today

http://www.judicialwatch.org/5772.shtml

Department of Defense Responds to Judicial Watch Freedom of Information Act Request and Related Lawsuit

(Washington, DC) Judicial Watch, the public interest group that investigates and prosecutes government corruption, announced today that Department of Defense will release a videotape to Judicial Watch at 1:00 p.m. this afternoon that allegedly shows American Airlines Flight 77 striking the Pentagon on September 11, 2001. The Department of Defense is releasing the videotape in response to a Judicial Watch Freedom of Information Act request and related lawsuit.

“This is in response to your December 14, 2004 Freedom of Information Act Request, FOIA appeal of March 27, 2005, and complaint filed in the United States District Court for the District of Columbia,” wrote William Kammer, Chief of the Department of Defense, Office of Freedom of Information. “Now that the trial of Zacarias Moussaoui is over, we are able to complete your request and provide the video…”

Judicial Watch originally filed a Freedom of Information Act request on December 15, 2004, seeking all records pertaining to September 11, 2001 camera recordings of the Pentagon attack from the Sheraton National Hotel, the Nexcomm/Citgo gas station, Pentagon security cameras and the Virginia Department of Transportation. The Department of Defense admitted in a January 26, 2005 letter that it possessed a videotape responsive to Judicial Watch’s request. However, the Pentagon refused to release the videotape because it was, “part of an ongoing investigation involving Zacarias Moussaoui.” Judicial Watch filed a lawsuit on February 22, 2006 arguing that there was “no legal basis” for the Defense Department’s refusal to release the tape.

“We fought hard to obtain this video because we felt that it was very important to complete the public record with respect to the terrorist attacks of September 11,” said Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton. “Finally, we hope that this video will put to rest the conspiracy theories involving American Airlines Flight 77. As always, our prayers remain with all those who suffered as a result of those murderous attacks.”

A copy of the video will be made available on Judicial Watch’s Internet site, www.judicialwatch.org.

Judicial Watch is a non-partisan, educational foundation organized under Section 501(c)(3) of the Internal Revenue code. Judicial Watch is dedicated to fighting government and judicial corruption and promoting a return to ethics and morality in our nation's public life.

Gold9472
05-16-2006, 12:47 PM
CNN's Coverage Of The Video Release

Click Here (http://www.yourbbsucks.com/forum/pentagonvideo.mov)

MikeJr.
05-16-2006, 12:55 PM
Damn Jon you're fast. Might I also add you have a very sexy voice. (just kidding) :)

Gold9472
05-16-2006, 12:58 PM
Sorry about that. I got a little angry.

MikeJr.
05-16-2006, 01:08 PM
Don't be sorry Jon! Have you seen this? http://civillibertarian.blogspot.com/2006/05/open-letter-to-class-of-2006.html
It has a quote from Malcolm X, “Usually when people are sad, they don’t do anything. They just cry over their condition. But when they get angry, they bring about change.”

Gold9472
05-16-2006, 01:09 PM
Smart man.

Gold9472
05-16-2006, 01:10 PM
Pentagon Releasing Video of Plane Hitting Building on 9/11

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,195702,00.html

Tuesday, May 16, 2006

WASHINGTON — Conspiracy theorists may or may not be disappointed Tuesday when the Pentagon releases footage from two angles showing American Flight 77 hitting the western wall of the building on Sept. 11, 2001.

The Department of Justice is releasing the videotape after a Freedom of Information Act request by Judicial Watch, a government watchdog. The request was made to quiet claims by some that pictures from that day never showed an airplane, only the "alleged" impact of the plane. Those claims spawned theories that the U.S. government faked the crash at the Pentagon.

"We fought hard to obtain this video because we felt that it was very important to complete the public record with respect to the terrorist attacks of September 11," said Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton. "Finally, we hope that this video will put to rest the conspiracy theories involving American Airlines Flight 77. As always, our prayers remain with all those who suffered as a result of those murderous attacks."

One of the tapes is from a security camera that was used to produce five still shots on that day. That video, which takes pictures in half-second increments, apparently shows the nose cone of the plane clearly entering the picture, then a blur and then a fireball.

The other camera shot that hasn't been seen before shows more of the plane before the fireball.

American Airlines Flight 77 left Dulles Airport outside Washington, D.C., around 8:51 a.m. EDT on Tuesday, Sept. 11, 2001. On its way to Los Angeles, the plane was hijacked and crashed into the Pentagon at 9:37 a.m. EDT.

Three other planes were hijacked that day. Two hit the North and South towers of the World Trade Center and one — United Flight 93 — believed to be headed to Washington, D.C., was stopped by passengers who fought the hijackers. The plane crashed into a field in Shanksville, Pa. Nearly 3,000 people died that day as a result of the attacks.

A dramatic film, United 93, is currently in wide release depicting that day. The film borrows heavily from taped phone conversations that passengers and crew had with their families and air traffic controllers before the fight for control of the plane.

Judicial Watch first filed the FOIA request in February 2004. It received a letter from the Pentagon in January 2005 that it possessed a videotape responsive to the request but wouldn't release it since it was "part of an ongoing investigation involving Zacarias Moussaoui." Judicial Watch filed a lawsuit in February 2006, arguing that the Defense Department had "no legal basis" to withhold the tape.

Gold9472
05-16-2006, 01:11 PM
US 'releases 9/11 Pentagon tape'
The impact caused a five-floor section of the building to collapse

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4987716.stm

The US defence department is to release a video of the plane crashing into the Pentagon on 11 September 2001, legal rights group Judicial Watch has said.

The US will release the previously unseen footage at 1300 (1700 GMT).

American Airlines Flight 77 crashed into the US military headquarters, killing 184 people, after it was hijacked as part of an al-Qaeda plot.

The release of the video, taken from a Pentagon security camera, comes after a freedom of information act request.

Judicial Watch said it would release the footage as soon as it could, but it was not clear when that would be.

Judicial Watch filed the freedom of information request in 2004, but the Pentagon refused to release the video because it was part of the investigation involving al-Qaeda plotter Zacarias Moussaoui, the group said.

Judicial Watch filed a lawsuit this February, arguing that there was "no legal basis" for the refusal.

Earlier this month Moussaoui was jailed for life for his role in the 2001 attacks.

Judicial Watch said they wanted to obtain the video because "it was very important to complete the public record" on the attacks.

"Finally, we hope that this video will put to rest the conspiracy theories involving American Airlines Flight 77," President Tom Fitton said.

Gold9472
05-16-2006, 01:12 PM
Pentagon to Release 9/11 Security Video

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/politics/3866960.html

WASHINGTON — The Pentagon said Tuesday it planned to release video images of American Airlines Flight 77 crashing into the military headquarters building and killing 184 people in the Sept. 11, 2001 terrorist attacks.

The images, recorded by a Pentagon security camera, were to be released in response to a Freedom of Information Act request by Judicial Watch, a public interest group. The video had previously been leaked and publicly circulated, but this is the first time the government will have officially released the imagery.

The hijacked American Airlines plane slammed into the southwest side of the Pentagon at 9:38 a.m. EDT, shortly after two other hijacked airlines were flown into the twin towers at the World Trade Center in New York. The attack set off fires in a portion of the Pentagon and killed 125 people inside, in addition to those on board the plane.

"We fought hard to obtain this video because we felt that it was very important to complete the public record with respect to the terrorist attacks of September 11," said Tom Fitton, president of Judicial Watch.

Gold9472
05-16-2006, 01:13 PM
Here's More CNN

Click Here (http://bradblog.com/video/flvplayer/FlvPlayer.html?file=http://www.ameratsu.com/media/vid/cnn/cnn_lt_911_pentagon_video_060516a_320x240.flv&width=320&height=240&OrigWidth=320&OrigHeight=240)

kelp
05-16-2006, 01:45 PM
wow, it just went from being a video to still images per msnbc.

MikeJr.
05-16-2006, 01:55 PM
Something fishy is going on guys. Did you just catch Fox news?

kelp
05-16-2006, 01:57 PM
yes. i didn't see anything new pre-explosion, just new frames from after the explosion.

Gold9472
05-16-2006, 02:18 PM
America's Intelligence Was Just Insulted

Click Here (http://www.yourbbsucks.com/forum/pentagonvideo2.mov)

thumper
05-16-2006, 02:35 PM
http://www.smiliesftw.com/x/wtf.gif

thumper
05-16-2006, 02:36 PM
howbout the tapes taken from the gas station?

Gold9472
05-16-2006, 03:01 PM
Another Slap In The Face

Click Here (http://www.yourbbsucks.com/forum/pentagonvideo3.mov)

Gold9472
05-16-2006, 03:25 PM
Release Of Pentagon Images Direct Assault On 9/11 Truth Movement
Politically timed release also coincides with Bush record low approval and surveillance furore, but video stills show little

http://prisonplanet.com/articles/may2006/160506pentagonimages.htm

http://prisonplanet.com/images/may2006/160506pentagon2.jpg

Paul Joseph Watson & Alex Jones/Prison Planet.com | May 16 2006

The release of new video images of Flight 77 hitting the Pentagon is both a direct assault against a 9/11 truth movement that has flourished in recent months and an attempt to reinforce the attendant propaganda of 9/11 in light of Bush's 29% approval rating.

Before the release of the new frames news networks immediately went on the attack, saying that the images finally put to rest "conspiracy theories" and questions about the official story. In addition, Fox News commentators related with pensive looks and pursed lips that this footage answers the furore over secret NSA wiretaps and surveillance by 'reminding Americans why it was being done'.

Fox anchors also attacked Charlie Sheen's 'ridiculous assertions' after the actor went public with his 9/11 doubts in late March. News networks hyped the video as some kind of hot tip yet when it was played the anchors looked disappointed because it barely shows anything we haven't already seen, a grainy shot spoiled by sun glare of a blurry object and then a fireball (see below). Go to Fox News to view the video images.

http://prisonplanet.com/images/may2006/160506_mystery_pentagon.jpg

Alex Jones and this website have always approached the Pentagon subject with caution because we were wary that it was a potential honey pot that would be used to distract and later discredit the 9/11 truth movement.

We asked why mainstream hit pieces always seemed to obsess over the Pentagon issue while ignoring other far weightier facets of the 9/11 inside job evidence.

The tactic has always been to create a straw man argument that can be set up and knocked down at a convenient time. The image below shows the supposed nose cone of the object.

http://prisonplanet.com/images/may2006/160506_plane77_contrast_adj.jpg

This is also a political boon for President Bush. The timing is precise and has nothing whatsoever to do with the fact that the Moussaoui trial has ended. Bush's approval ratings are at 29% and his administration is being battered from pillar to post over the NSA spying scandal. What better time to replay the horror of 9/11 and attempt to reinforce fealty to the government's lauded efforts to keep us all safe from terrorists by taking our rights away?

The release of these images comes at a time when the 9/11 truth movement is at its most prominent. This is a targeted assault intended to quash questions about 9/11 and discredit the movement. TV news anchors are already uniform in their talking points in using the video images to attack 9/11 skeptics.

What remains clear is the fact that news networks are steadfast to ask questions about the real issues surrounding 9/11, such as the implosion of Building 7, the NORAD stand down and the fact that all the evidence points towards the hijackers being US government agents.

werther
05-16-2006, 03:36 PM
now I am convinced. ...there certainly was no conspiracy.

that they are saying this is further proof for the official story wtf.
Hey I am not convinced that it wasn't flight 77 in the first place. If they release these bullshit videos and create an uproar in the conspiracy community then release footage that definitely shows flight 77 our cause will look like a joke. (though I guess to most it already does but you know what I mean) Not that we shouldn't say anything but....damn it I am just pissed off right now.

thumper
05-16-2006, 03:44 PM
Another Slap In The Face

Click Here (http://www.yourbbsucks.com/forum/pentagonvideo3.mov)
hey john is that you filming?

Gold9472
05-16-2006, 03:47 PM
Yes.

thumper
05-16-2006, 04:05 PM
what a bunch of tools

Gold9472
05-16-2006, 04:22 PM
Pentagon Video Is Giant Psy-Op
Intended to create circus of interest around 'no plane' theories, later debunk them

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/may2006/160506giantpsyop.htm

Paul Joseph Watson & Alex Jones/Prison Planet.com | May 16 2006

Grainy video stills showing what is claimed to be the nose cone of Flight 77 will only result in an increased circus of debate around the issue of what happened at the Pentagon in preparation for a future release of clear video footage that 'debunks' people who question the official version of 9/11.

For over four years we have remained neutral on the subject, agreeing that unanswered questions need to be explored but warning against the Pentagon issue becoming the core focus of the 9/11 truth movement.

The danger is clearly that the government will use its media mouthpieces in particular Fox News to hype this until it becomes the de facto keystone of alternative explanations behind 9/11.

At the point when that crescendo reaches its peak crystal clear footage of Flight 77 hitting the Pentagon will be released, knocking down the straw man argument that the establishment itself erected.

The government is steam valving this issue so as to garner as much interest as possible before blowing the entire matter out of the water. We know for a fact that the FBI seized the gas station camera footage and footage from hotels across the highway which would show the entire sequence of events and prove exactly what happened at the Pentagon.

The fact that they have again chosen to release grainy and foggy images which only lead to more speculation tell us two things.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/images/may2006/160506_mystery_pentagon.jpg

1) The government truly is frightened to death of releasing any images which accurately depict what happened at the Pentagon because it doesn't jive with the official version of 9/11.

2) Or the government knows that Flight 77 hit the Pentagon and has clear footage of the incident, but is deliberately releasing these speculative images in order to stoke the debate so it can later release the high quality video and use it to debunk the entire 9/11 truth movement.

The media obsession with this one facet of an entire smorgasbord of 9/11 questions, and their refusal to address more hardcore 9/11 evidence, leads us to fear the latter explanation is the case.

Why no discussion of Building 7 and the comments of Larry Silverstein?

Why no discussion of the hijackers being trained by the US government? Lt. Colonel Steve Butler of the Monterey Defense Language Institute was suspended from duty after he accused Bush of allowing 9/11 to happen.

Why no discussion of the NORAD stand down?

Because none of these issues are honey pots, none of them are speculation because the cards are laid out on the table for everyone to see and the evidence is clear.

While intelligent questions need to be asked about what really happened at the Pentagon we feel that research in this context should come with the proviso that a potential trap is being laid to discredit all 9/11 research at a later date, and that today's story is part of that process.

PhilosophyGenius
05-16-2006, 04:35 PM
This looks like the same exact footage released just after 9/11. Talk about pulling a fast one on the American people.

AndrewLoweWatson
05-16-2006, 05:03 PM
I doubt that they have any clear footage of a 757, and even if they did, to release it now after two bungled attempts would look like a quick dash of Photoshop. They've blown their big moment. No-one will believe anything they produce FOUR YEARS later.

Partridge
05-16-2006, 05:55 PM
They're up on youtube....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L75Gga92WO8&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Ejudicialwatch%2Eorg%2Fflig ht77%2Eshtml
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAaP4Z3zls8&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Ejudicialwatch%2Eorg%2Fflig ht77%2Eshtml

PhilosophyGenius
05-16-2006, 05:58 PM
They're up on youtube....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L75Gga92WO8&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Ejudicialwatch%2Eorg%2Fflig ht77%2Eshtml
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAaP4Z3zls8&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Ejudicialwatch%2Eorg%2Fflig ht77%2Eshtml

Call me stupid but that's the same exact video released after 9/11 but with a longer intro added!!!!

Also, anybody else notice how this fireball is WAYYY smaller than the fireballs at the WTC?

Eckolaker
05-16-2006, 06:09 PM
Call me stupid but that's the same exact video released after 9/11 but with a longer intro added!!!!

Also, anybody else notice how this fireball is WAYYY smaller than the fireballs at the WTC?

Stop focusing on the facts, clearly they're not important here.

Tonya
05-16-2006, 06:36 PM
NBC just said that the CIA has said that there are no other tapes, that these are the last. The two they released sure as hell don't show much. I think the flight probably did hit but I still don't like that I think there is more to show us. How can this be it? I mean, this is the PENTAGON for God's sake!
So freakin' aggrevating!!

Tonya
05-16-2006, 06:48 PM
ABC news coverage:
Tom Fitton remarks-- paraphrasing what he said:'these were people that were victms of a horrible terrorist attack'
My remarks: NO SHIT! The question is, just who in our government were partaking in the terrorizing? There is no question that there are terrorists involved--not to me anyway, just which mofo's from our own fuckin gov. took part in it for their own fucking benefit?!

Michael Berger of 911/truth.org was just on ABC also.

FUckers! ABC just said that some family members of 9/11 victims are angry with conspiracy theorists. They didn't report that there are some family members who are angry because they want the fucking TRUTH.

Gold9472
05-16-2006, 07:33 PM
New Tape Stirs Up 9/11 Conspiracy Theories
Pentagon Video Officially Released

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=1968996&page=1

May 16, 2006 — The minute the Pentagon released images of the Sept. 11 attack on its building, the message boards at ABCNEWS.com lit up with conspiracy theories.

Some blame it on an inside job by members of the Bush administration to benefit their business interests. Some say it was planned by neoconservatives to advance their worldview. Others don't know what happened but doubt the official story put forward by the government.

The world of conspiracy theories surrounding the Sept. 11 attacks is vast, and more than four years after the worst terrorist incident on U.S. soil, countless scenarios are put forth on the Internet, in academic forums and on talk radio each day. Some are of the "MIHOP" variety, which claim people in power made it happen on purpose, while others are of the "LIHOP" kind — they let it happen on purpose.

With Tuesday's release of video footage of American Airlines Flight 77 crashing into the Pentagon building, an attack that killed 184 people on Sept. 11, questions rage again.

"It doesn't clarify anything — I don't see a plane in that image," said Michael Berger, spokesman for 911Truth.org. "In fact, I thought that was underwhelming."

Berger said 911Truth.org "would like to see various conspiracy theories laid to rest as well" and does not believe the government has addressed "inherent contradictions" in evidence and testimony surrounding the events of that day.

"We would like to know what happened," he said. "Four-and-a-half years later, we still don't have definitive proof that a plane hit that building."

Berger said the group "has never said one way or another what happened at the Pentagon," but it did support the Freedom of Information Act requests that led to the Pentagon releasing the footage.

But 911Truth.org does believe Sept. 11 has been used as the "justification for broader policies," both foreign and domestic, he said.

Barrie Zwicker, a Canadian investigative reporter, documentary filmmaker and author of the upcoming book "Towers of Deception: The Media Cover-Up of 9/11," said the video does not answer the question of how any aerial vehicle — "a 757 or a missile or a fighter equipped with a missile or a fighter alone or a blimp or a Cessna" — could make it to the "central headquarters of the greatest military power that ever existed."

"Even if it was a model airplane, for God's sake," Zwicker said.

He also questioned the timing of the video's release.

"For them to be releasing this video so late, why so late and why now?" he said.

PhilosophyGenius
05-16-2006, 11:38 PM
Stop focusing on the facts, clearly they're not important here.

Glad I could be your first post Eckolaker...welcome aboard.

:69:

Uber Commandante
05-17-2006, 12:13 PM
How fast was the plane moving? According to the person narrating the film (not gold, the one on tv), the security camera was taking a frame every 1/2 second. So, what the gov't. is claiming is that the entire length of a 757 not only passed by the camera in that 1/2 second (which is why we don't ever see it), but that it also completed disintegrated into the building in that same 1/2 second.

You guys see what I'm getting at here? missing frames? can someone do the math? It would go something like this:

Is (length of 757) + (velocity) > (the amount of ground the camera could cover in 1/2 second). Or something like that.

thumper
05-17-2006, 12:33 PM
the frame rate is usually around 24 frames per second